Woodman Vs. Clark?

[Walter Burns]

I know, but they were not able to turn in into a wave with everybody wanting to shoot Magyar/Baltic/Ukrainian/Russian etc girls.

Woodman didn't do that on his own either. He was an important player, yes, but he was not the sole responsible figure here. There were others who played important roles as well. Just to name 1, Patrick Collins' work in Budapest in 1992 -- before Woodman was there -- is at least as important in bringing the American companies to Buda than Woodman was. I believe that Collins also influenced John Stagliano and Rocco Siffredi to shoot in Buda (and later Prague) soon after that.

Woodman had an important role to play in mining new talents from Russia, Belarussia, Ukraine and the Baltic states, but I don't think that he played all that important a role in making Buda and Prague the porn capitals they are today. I am convinced that they would still be just that even if Woodman wouldn't have made porn at all.

[pinkincide]

Clark had the sense to stay behind the camera when he got too old. If I never see Woodman's saggy, hairy ass again it'll be too soon.

[ze_dude33]

Hi Walter Burns, think you are far to know who came the first here to work in Budapest,Pierre and Bert Milton were the really first ones,then it was my turn something like one or two weeks later because i met a hungarian girl and i begun to open Budapest to all Europe...At that time, i was one of the most popular comedian.

Best Regards,

Christoph Clark,

[gapeman]

Ze Dude
Christoper Clark himself !!!!
I have got almost everything from you
You are a legend!!!! KEEP GAPPING MY FRIEND ...and do many push ups to keep you fit and do many movies and series!!!!!
Work again with your friend Jean Yves Lecastell !!!!You are the best couple in porn
Come to say fer words to us more offen !!!

[Walter Burns]

Interesting timeline you present us Christoph. I'm guessing you are talking about Deborah Wells. Again, guessing from the movies you have made together, you must have met her in 1990 or 1991 at the latest.

I'm not sure where Woodman was at that time. I do know that at that time Buda was being visited already by German and Italian pornogaphers. And soon after that in 1992 by Americans like Patrick Collins.

My point is that Woodman was one of many.

[az]

as for Woodman being in front of the camera. You are correct he is not pleasant to look at. I think he felt...this a fringe benefit of what I am doing, I might as well flim it and make a little extra cash from it.

[dap-addict]

And soon after that in 1992 by Americans like Patrick Collins.

Walter, you are sure right, that only Patrick Collins arrival opened Budapest to the US porn market. Without those Dotzens of US directors fellowing Collins to shoot in Hungary, Budapest would never have become for porn what it is now.
On the other hand the Americans spoiled the prices pushing them up like mad at one time - which helped models from Romainia and Ukraine breaking in with lower fees. It sure made the Budapest talent pool more multi-national.

[sbando]

Walter, no has ever said that Woodman invented the Eastern-Euro scene. He hasn't invented anything, he's one of a kind, in his own genre, like him or not. He has his formula, his exclusive girls and, usually, astronomical budgets to rely on.

But I wouldn't compare him (and Private) to people like Collins. They were simply looking for a cheaper way to shoot porn. They went there and then left.

Woodman, Private and Rocco (and photographers like DeFrancesco and Maklin) have definitely created the "eurobabe" thing (or contributed the most to), at least in the fanboy's imagination.

I remember interviews with Pierre and Milton from the early nineties and they WERE AWARE that something big was going on. I seriously doubt that Collins or Bellocchio were interested in an estethics or a style of some kind, but I do agree that quantity has created Buda or Prague more than quality.

To the other people mentioning the old "Woodman treats girls like cattle" cliché: how were girls treated by other directors and producers, especially in the early nineties? Wanna hear some horror stories? It's simply not documented (and it never will). Have you ever seen a Vince Voyeur's backstage??

[Johnnie_Walker]

To the other people mentioning the old "Woodman treats girls like cattle" cliché: how were girls treated by other directors and producers, especially in the early nineties? Wanna hear some horror stories? It's simply not documented (and it never will). Have you ever seen a Vince Voyeur's backstage??

I agree, these girls know what they are getting themselves into. If they don't want the money then they just need to walk out of the door. The fact remains that Pierre needs to know that the girls will be capable of doing what he wants them to do at a shoot. If he pays over $2000 to bring a girl to the Dominican Republic and she sits around drinking mojito's all day and refusing to do what he asks then he would be pretty pissed off.

Anyway, I think Pierre is being judged too much on his casting series. What about all his work for private, hustler and his superfuckers series?

[dap-addict]

To the other people mentioning the old "Woodman treats girls like cattle" cliché

This basically is absurd.
You mention the general mood on porn sets in the 90ties. That´s right. But besides we should judge directors like Pierre by his effects. If his girls were treated really so badly, that would actually show. I remember but one scene where it is obvious that Pierre talked a (Russian) girl into something she can either perform nor want to.
But in general Woodman presented us with a pretty big share or attractive Eurogirls performing well and looking beautiful.

[Johnnie_Walker]

Hahaha, according to Wikipedia:-

Pierre Woodman has already released 64 DVDs from his Casting X series, using Hungarian girls (427), Czech girls (336), Russians (176) and other nationalities (+ 200) and in an interview he claimed to have more than 7000 castings in stock. All of this could make the thousandth edition of Pierre Woodman’s Casting X a very real possibility.

[dap-addict]

Anyway, I think Pierre is being judged too much on his casting series. What about all his work for private, hustler and his superfuckers series?

Just watched some of Woodmans Private Superfuckers again and I noticed that around 2000/2001/2002 he actually starts to relay heavily on Budapest based agents instead of introducing his own girls.
In Superfuckers 10 there is a very good dp scene with the Ukrainian girl Alissa for instance. She was quite popular at that time and has worked for a lot of directors. Alissa was actually introduced to Budapest biz by Nikoletta (more on her agency work here: http://www.eurobabeindex.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1371) and Woodman actually just booked her there. Despite this Woodman pretends in that scene that he is doing a casting with her and she was new.

[sbando]

He's just doing his schtick, but from 2000 on he still introduced lots and lots of amazing new girls.

But, c'mon, this is so stale. Woodman nay-sayers will always repeat how he's mean to the girls, stole from Ricaud, blah, blah, blah.

[noproblemo]

In Superfuckers 10 there is a very good dp scene with the Ukrainian girl Alissa for instance. She was quite popular at that time and has worked for a lot of directors. Alissa was actually introduced to Budapest biz by Nikoletta (more on her agency work here: http://www.eurobabeindex.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1371) and Woodman actually just booked her there. Despite this Woodman pretends in that scene that he is doing a casting with her and she was new.

She was totally new at that time. Her very first set published was in Woodman's Top Models X 7 issued in May 2001:
http://www.eurobabeindex.com/woodmanindex/tmx/tmx07.jpg
Superfuckers 10 was then released in June.
From the end of 2001 and the year after, she started to work for many other productions but she really began with Woodman
Agents know he prefers new girls and always send them to him first.

From what I have witnessed, actresses seem to really like him and some told me he is like a father to them (but an incestuous one ). On one festival, I saw one girl asking him for permission to go to toilets He told her she doesn't have to ask and told me "isn't she cute?".

[dap-addict]

Agents know he prefers new girls and always send them to him first.

Almost everybody prefers new girls, but I guess Pierre would just pay a bit more to be the first one really.
I also think Nikoletta made some good money with him actually.

Btw, thanks nop for getting the facts straight about who shot Alissa first. I wasnt aware of that.