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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby olga cabaeva on Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:58 am

gbman2k7 wrote:http://boards.4chan.org/t/thread/793593

I do think that a lot of them were tricked, so do a lot of people on that form. Thank god it happened, I'm glad these scenes were made and appreciate how rare they are. Hail torbe/*** era pb!

Thanx for link. I laughed a lots from some comments :::
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby olga cabaeva on Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:23 am

http://www.spainprivateparties.eu/es/Pago-Payment/
They just started following me on Twitter. According their Web they organise bukkake,gang bangs, orgies and also shoots. I saw Torbe's ex girlfriend, Lora Raw, on it. This picture is very old ,like from 2008. It was from Torbe's bukkake with Lora Raw and Fayna for PL.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby olga cabaeva on Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:30 pm

charlie72 wrote:^ Maybe but tbh Nicole is way better in every aspect. Those American girls are just fake and identical with their artificial looks and emotions.

Nicole Black is an amazing newcomer and imo beats most of other boring and numb PB girls. Too bad her great potential is ruined by an incompetent and retarded director.

Let's not blame Giorgio Grandi for everything! This guy is a target for everyone now.Some people think if a girl is ugly it's Giorgio 's fault. Lol! He's not her father :::
We don't know what happened on set with Nicole Black and why GG shot a scene with 9 weak loads? There is no any official post or communication about it. Maybe it was Nicole who refused to work with more guys? Or some bukkakeros just didn't show up. Torbe had this problem in Barcelona, there were just few guys who came to his bukkake. It was fiasco comparing to his bukkakes in Madrid.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby krull on Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:35 pm

gbman2k7 wrote:I do think that a lot of them were tricked, so do a lot of people on that form.


Seriously... 4chan? The stuff they post on there is a mixture of half truths and a bunch of nonsense users pulled out of thin air.. "*** wanted to break the will of the girls" "Monro was on crack" "Torbe used homeless guys in bukkake" and other stupid shit. Now they're writing paragraphs about how supposedly the girls were all tricked into doing their scenes, and citing bullshit articles by el pais and el espanol from June 2016 which I covered in this thread extensively and based on the details we knew at that point, suspected to be bullshit...

...and it was, all of it, which is why they dropped all charges related to it...

Mike Munroe wrote:Somehow I got stucked in this thread, lots of controverse and discussion here. I would like to summarize my opinion as follows:


1. No, he financed the project, after approaching Torbe to partner with him. Other people acted as the agents, then there was Mila the translator. The team wasn't very big, which is why they needed Torbe's existing business to make *** concept a reality.

2. The site by default blocks users from Ukraine, Russia and other post Soviet countries by default. It's true that the exact number of men that would take part per bukkake was not known until on the day, but the idea that the girls were somehow tricked again just regurgitates the same crap the media was spouting, which again I stress was complete rubbish. All the girls knew what they were doing, they were given details of the kind of shoot it would be, they were sent videos of existing bukkakes so they could see visually what they would do. They then did the photo shoots in Kiev before getting the right documents to go to Madrid and perform the scenes themselves.

They had to sign documents which were all translated to them fully before they could shoot, said documents were all shown to the judge and police as well as relating tax receipts, everything was found to be in order (money laundering/tax evasion charges dropped). If they were tricked, how is it that they ended up doing two or three scenes each? "Elya sorry about misleading you to drink 55 loads, next time it'll only be 15 loads promise" Oops, tricked again twice! Not only that, but she came back again and did another two scenes months later. Doesn't make much sense does it?

Also as you'll know from reading the thread, Elya and Milena know each other, they're not the only ones... plus girls knew the agents. If they had been tricked, word of mouth would have gotten around pretty quick about it. So let's put this myth of the poor tricked Ukrainians to bed once for all, they weren't delicate little flowers who found themselves in a sticky (lol) situation, they participated willingly, and knew what they were in for. Isabel, Ines and all those other girls lied their asses off because they didn't want to take responsibility for being involved and tried to make out that they were silenced and it was all a massive human trafficking operation. Lies, all of it.

3. I don't know what the GGG girls are paid, but the Ukrainians were paid up to €3000 per scene, perhaps some were paid less because they had less guys, I don't know specifics but they certainly weren't paid "€300". Plus all expenses were paid for accommodation too.

4. "Well that's just like your opinion man..." Torbe does raw amateur shoots, what kind of fancy camera angles would be needed for such material?

5. Yes.. covered extensively, which is why it'll be a miracle if any of the those girls return in new shoots again.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby krull on Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:39 pm

Now with that out of the way, the first of two bukkakes this week is with new girl Sweet Mia tonight!

https://torbe.es/bukkakes/sweet-mia/

Tomorrow on 18 October 2017 at 19.00 hours. We will make a bukkake with the most explosive blonde of all Putalocura, Sweet Mia. You are invited to participate if you want to witness a unique experience. You can come with your friends.


I suspect perhaps Saturday will be Claudia Sevilla maybe...

Eva is looking simply gorgeous, boobs look the same too, just pushed up more :)

Damn Lora Row was lovely, too bad she vanished into thin air...
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby charlie72 on Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:33 pm

krull wrote:Let's not blame Giorgio Grandi for everything!


He does crap on purpose,

fake semen it is different in every aspect from what we saw previously this new crap looks like cornstarch jelly
unnatural color he just ignores everyone and goes on with his white plastic crap
scene splitting round 123 bullshit
professional guys and as a matter of fact weak loads
fast group blowjobs instead of slower sensual care for each cock
theres maybe more

This has nothing to do with the girls.

Good news about Torbe but I don't understand why they can't hire Torbe to shoot for PB.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby olga cabaeva on Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:31 pm

krull wrote:
gbman2k7 wrote:I do think that a lot of them were tricked, so do a lot of people on that form.


Seriously... 4chan? The stuff they post on there is a mixture of half truths and a bunch of nonsense users pulled out of thin air.. "*** wanted to break the will of the girls" "Monro was on crack" "Torbe used homeless guys in bukkake" and other stupid shit. Now they're writing paragraphs about how supposedly the girls were all tricked into doing their scenes, and citing bullshit articles by el pais and el espanol from June 2016 which I covered in this thread extensively and based on the details we knew at that point, suspected to be bullshit...
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Krull! Girls can be tricked by agents specially if they are never done professional shoots before or/and they come from not Western countries. I took it from Woodman's forum. Alina Henessy did "a bit "wrong translation of her conversation with Halona Vog. She told to Halona (in Russian) that all websites are for Europe and USA and her real name will be changed. Also like her country and some personal details. And strong make up will help in it.But we all remember this story :mrgreen: there is Internet everywhere even in Angola and Russia.
Why Julmodels just didn't say honestly : Sorry ,babe,a day that your scene is published ,this video will spread everywhere. Forget about make up and "changed name".

OK, Angela did professional shoots ,so she must know 100% what is it model releases, but maybe not all of girls knew about how to be such a famouse bukkake star. Most of them deleted their profiles in vk and changed names on instagramm and did closed accounts. Jane deleted her vk profile at the same day when her scene was published.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby robuk on Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:51 pm

Well said Krull you are spot on,some of the girls did multiple shoots and no one is stupid enough to do something two,three,four or five times are they..surely to god? there are interviews with the girls discussing what they were going to be doing before shoots,then more interviews after and again interviews before the girls swallowed another massive load of cum,if these girls were tricked i'm a martian :)
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby gbman2k7 on Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:52 pm

krull wrote:
gbman2k7 wrote:I do think that a lot of them were tricked, so do a lot of people on that form.


Seriously... 4chan? The stuff they post on there is a mixture of half truths and a bunch of nonsense users pulled out of thin air.. "*** wanted to break the will of the girls" "Monro was on crack" "Torbe used homeless guys in bukkake" and other stupid shit. Now they're writing paragraphs about how supposedly the girls were all tricked into doing their scenes, and citing bullshit articles by el pais and el espanol from June 2016 which I covered in this thread extensively and based on the details we knew at that point, suspected to be bullshit...

...and it was, all of it, which is why they dropped all charges related to it...

Mike Munroe wrote:Somehow I got stucked in this thread, lots of controverse and discussion here. I would like to summarize my opinion as follows:


1. No, he financed the project, after approaching Torbe to partner with him. Other people acted as the agents, then there was Mila the translator. The team wasn't very big, which is why they needed Torbe's existing business to make *** concept a reality.

2. The site by default blocks users from Ukraine, Russia and other post Soviet countries by default. It's true that the exact number of men that would take part per bukkake was not known until on the day, but the idea that the girls were somehow tricked again just regurgitates the same crap the media was spouting, which again I stress was complete rubbish. All the girls knew what they were doing, they were given details of the kind of shoot it would be, they were sent videos of existing bukkakes so they could see visually what they would do. They then did the photo shoots in Kiev before getting the right documents to go to Madrid and perform the scenes themselves.

They had to sign documents which were all translated to them fully before they could shoot, said documents were all shown to the judge and police as well as relating tax receipts, everything was found to be in order (money laundering/tax evasion charges dropped). If they were tricked, how is it that they ended up doing two or three scenes each? "Elya sorry about misleading you to drink 55 loads, next time it'll only be 15 loads promise" Oops, tricked again twice! Not only that, but she came back again and did another two scenes months later. Doesn't make much sense does it?

Also as you'll know from reading the thread, Elya and Milena know each other, they're not the only ones... plus girls knew the agents. If they had been tricked, word of mouth would have gotten around pretty quick about it. So let's put this myth of the poor tricked Ukrainians to bed once for all, they weren't delicate little flowers who found themselves in a sticky (lol) situation, they participated willingly, and knew what they were in for. Isabel, Ines and all those other girls lied their asses off because they didn't want to take responsibility for being involved and tried to make out that they were silenced and it was all a massive human trafficking operation. Lies, all of it.

3. I don't know what the GGG girls are paid, but the Ukrainians were paid up to €3000 per scene, perhaps some were paid less because they had less guys, I don't know specifics but they certainly weren't paid "€300". Plus all expenses were paid for accommodation too.

4. "Well that's just like your opinion man..." Torbe does raw amateur shoots, what kind of fancy camera angles would be needed for such material?

5. Yes.. covered extensively, which is why it'll be a miracle if any of the those girls return in new shoots again.



Thanks for clearing some stuff up, I do believe though that some rules or told promises were bent still to make such shoots happen, I do agree with you that 4chan stuff might be overreacting to some stuff but people make some points on how submissive they were and how and I honestly do see them being threatened with pay cuts for not performing in the gokkun the way they wanted it.

People were saying how torbe in his pl scenes never forced girls to this extreme and I thought to myself...he could have easily made Lina Morgana swallow 10 at time during her 30 man pl scene. I just found it odd that complete amateurs swallowed cum better then most pornstars and with specific conditions such as holding in 10 at time while another 10 guys unload on there faces and then another 10 in the mouth. Do you really think all these girls performed so perfectly under normal conditions, something just feels off...the leave there eyes open during facials and are forced to keep to open as guys unload into it...if you dont think pb was made to shame the girls then I think you arent noticing some fine details to it, such as them purposely aiming towards the eyes while there girls are forced to keep it open. Maybe they didn't lie to them about the shoot but they probably gave them really vauge details and then hit them with something like this and knew they could take advantage of how they can pretty much do w.e they please once they have the girls on there knees ready for the shoot.

Either way im not saying this as some anti pb thing, I love pb and I thank *** and torbe for pretty much perfecting gokkun, those gokkuns scenes with the Ukrainians still to this day makes me feel like im dreaming, its shot just how I would make a gokkun if I was given the time and money for it and all the girls are perfect.

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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby robuk on Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:26 pm

I watched some of LP stuff recently and man if you want to talk about shaming girls then these fellas have it off to a fine art,not sure why some of those beautiful girls do the stuff they do..maybe its the money,lets face it 3000 euros in Spain or England is not a massive amount of cash but to a Russian or Ukranian it could be a fortune especially if they do a few scenes,maybe we are getting into the realms of exploitation more than being tricked,however money talks in this world.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby pexpert194 on Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:51 pm

I hope GG reads these critical lines and makes it better in future! More facials!
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby gbman2k7 on Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:51 pm

robuk wrote:I watched some of LP stuff recently and man if you want to talk about shaming girls then these fellas have it off to a fine art,not sure why some of those beautiful girls do the stuff they do..maybe its the money,lets face it 3000 euros in Spain or England is not a massive amount of cash but to a Russian or Ukranian it could be a fortune especially if they do a few scenes,maybe we are getting into the realms of exploitation more than being tricked,however money talks in this world.


well said, my wording was bad. I believe they weren't tricked per say but exploitation was done in the fact that they could push these girls to the brink of gokkun extremes due to the nature of the shoot and mila being the translator for most of the girls (girls tend to listen to girls easier and gain more trust) but thank god it happened, this stuff goes beyond milky cat dmc titles that were once the holy grail for big mouthfuls but the girls were never as beautiful. I still remember waking up one day and seeing this thread and looking at all the pb previews, honest to god I thought I was dreaming :o

I always had a fetish for hot lingerie and high heels and the fact that girls wore it in most scenes throughout the gokkun's was just icing on the cake, the had eveything a gokkun fan wanted checked off, Load counter, HUGE mouthfuls, rapid fire loads without to much time in between cumshots, numbers higher then 50, camera 2 being a perfect camera angle, most scenes had good lighting but color values could be fixed, brutal facials sometimes ( i love it when they aim for the eye), this will sound crazy but being a gokkun fan I like the mouthfuls varying in different textures, color pallets, and viscosity and one thing I loved about pb was all the mouthfuls were so varied (prime example is alma for this, each mouthful she had was different and looked amazing), sometimes we got clear white loads like linda 2, sometimes we got yellow chunky loads, it was so varied compared to LP's steroid freaks and last but not least the most beautiful girls to ever do gokkun. Girls like kira, katy, nona , mary and angela still have me scatching my head saying how they ever agreed to do such a thing like gokkun :twisted: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :shock: :shock:

Long live TORBE/*** era PB!!!
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby Mike Munroe on Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:56 pm

robuk wrote:Well said Krull you are spot on,some of the girls did multiple shoots and no one is stupid enough to do something two,three,four or five times are they..surely to god? there are interviews with the girls discussing what they were going to be doing before shoots,then more interviews after and again interviews before the girls swallowed another massive load of cum,if these girls were tricked i'm a martian :)


Sorry dude but Olga is absolutely right. Tricked is not always the same like betraying or cheating there are more nuances (my opinion)
My recommendation just watch the BTS videos especially from Michelle....she had no clue what exactly is bukkake /gokkun) before the shooting...on cam she is really confused about what to do and how.

So why some girls did more than 1 scene??...at least they will not die from sperm maybe puke...(I guess at Monroes vid you can see a "brownie" on the ground)..feel uncomfortable...Nona has therefore initiated her "yogurt" imagination according to her BTS video. Thats just the jungle camp strategy..a girl swallows even animal sperm in this show...imagine its on free tv...
The return flights werent on the same day so just wait in the hotel room, sightseeing and maybe spend money makes no sense if you have done 1 scene and survived. Instead of taking just around € 300,-- better fill the pocket with double or triple income.
The girls never ever got € 3.000, per scene thats totally nonsense (only swallowing and lame bjs) sorry but I was in the biz for years and worked with a lot of models (some worked hc very rare).
http://www.eurobabeindex.com/modules/se ... ployee.com

About the categorizing agent or pimp..ok that might be a question where you set up the investment limit coz any agency has expenses like providing castings, professional photos etc. Even if this *** guy would participate in the profit sharing he should not be automatically seen as a pimp coz a few agencies running also their own productions.

Anyway the pb stuff is interesting (maybe somehow awesome) but the potential was not fullfilled the way it could have been done.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby robuk on Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:21 pm

To be fair Mike neither you or I know for sure the circumstances,however Krull has said its bullshit so i'm going with that,i don't doubt a young Slavic girl could have massive regrets about appearing on PB and maybe after she has her money she may well wish she had never done it and look for reasons and excuses..like being tricked,but as I say most of us won't know the truth.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby Mike Munroe on Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:13 pm

robuk wrote:To be fair Mike neither you or I know for sure the circumstances,however Krull has said its bullshit so i'm going with that,i don't doubt a young Slavic girl could have massive regrets about appearing on PB and maybe after she has her money she may well wish she had never done it and look for reasons and excuses..like being tricked,but as I say most of us won't know the truth.


Correct robuk! The models have partially massive regrets mostly when the stuff is spreaded in their homecountries and people point their fingers at them. My muse and ex-gf Alena H http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/alena_h.html was fine with all kind of our shootings until she recognized that the stuff was everywhere in the Ukraine. As I mentioned some websites hunting for private infos of the models and publishing it reckless. I tried to help her but its a fight a against the almighty hydra..no chance.
The only way to protect her was to keep the latest shootings private and so I still do. Or Katerina Hartlova...such a funny girl, really a pleasure to work with I did the 1st HC scene with her and believe me or not, the scene was actually planned as a bj but she said with you I want do more I like you....well when she became aware that some morons posted the video at a czech tubesite...she turned into a fury.

Of course we dont know the the circumstances for sure but I guess Krull dont neither.
Thats why I am believing my experiences as a producer for years in the biz and I would like to announce that: In case I will be proved wrong f.e. if the judgement of the *** trial becomes public and paid fees of € 3.000 will be mentioned in this context I will put all my efforts into producing a bukkake/gokkun scene which will be similar or even surpass the pb style.
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