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Postby sumsbums on Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:37 am

Hey people,

I know you all love the Asstraffic / Assholefever / Spermswap / Tamedteens / Allinternal / whatever scenes. Normally I would as well, cause I'm heavily into hard and nasty gaping anal porn (would I be here, otherwise?).

But there's one thing that's terribly annoying about them: No matter how great the girls gape, the biggest assholes are... the guys.
Really, I HATE them. They show absolutely NO respect for the girls, they don't even really seem to be turned on... they act like they're beating someone up. Don't know what they did before shooting porn, maybe they used to be club bouncers... or jailbirds...

Let me clarify that I'm NOT complaining about the degree of "hardcoreness", I'm not into vanilla Vivid stuff. I love hard and fast anal fucking vids as much as the next guy on this board. But the male actors are so irritating that I'm unable to enjoy a single scene. Which is a shame, cause the girls are hot and willing to play. For 3 minutes, that is, cause then some moron annoys the fuck out of them, so they merely endure the rest of the scene.

Just my 2 cents, feel free to disagree. But if 21 Sextury really want to improve something: Find some new male actors, or try talking to the old ones (don't know if they're capable of human language, tho).
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Postby Nihilist on Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:54 am

Hoping this will not seem patronising (its not meant to be).

Allinternal/Asstraffic, etc are created afaik by Perfect Gonzo and have no affiliation to 21st Sextury sites.

I agree that some of the guys on that site do or did treat the models performing on there with little respect. A friend of mine has appeared on allinternal and asstraffic a few times and she has had some bad experiences (one of which she describes as her worst ever) and at the same time some good experiences.

Her last two scenes were with Bob Terminator who is actually a really nice person. I was in Budapest playing 10 pin bowling with my friend when Bob, his two children and his wife came in to play bowling also. My friend and Bob were very happy to see each other and chatted away for a while. So some of the guys on there are actually nice to the models and are even friends outside of the shooting locations.

My only problem with Allinternal/Asstraffic is that I tend to feel that I am on some kind of large rubber band while watching the scene. The cameraman always seems to have this habit of zooming right in then out then in then out and all around. I need to take seasickness pills after watching a complete scene.. lol
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Re: The problem with Asstraffic/Assholefever/...

Postby pagangod_uk on Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:53 am

sumsbums wrote:...The guys, really, I HATE them. They show absolutely NO respect for the girls, they don't even really seem to be turned on... they act like they're beating someone up. Don't know what they did before shooting porn, maybe they used to be club bouncers... or jailbirds...

The male actors are so irritating that I'm unable to enjoy a single scene. Which is a shame, cause the girls are hot and willing to play. For 3 minutes, that is, cause then some moron annoys the fuck out of them, so they merely endure the rest of the scene...


I believe this problem is much more widespread than just the sites mentioned above.

This growing misogyny in the porn industry has been on the increase for a good few years now, previously it had been a mainly American thing, but in the last couple of years it has started to really permeate into the Euro porn business...

I've written about this topic at length, on other forums, and have had some very interesting reactions(!), but the general view is that a lot of people have tended to agree with most of the things I've said.

The bottom line, for me at least, is this; the performers and producers of this kind of sub-genre of gonzo porn don't actually like women, these guys have a lot of built-up rage and resentment towards the girls in the porn industry, and of course, absolutely ZERO respect.

They take out their strange pseudo-psychotic fury on these unfortunate female performers, and it shows on their faces and does indeed spoil many, many porn scenes/movies.

I remember a time, not that long ago, when porn was fun, when all the performers at least appeared to be having fun - even those who were just there for the money.

There certainly wasn't the level of aggression we see now.

I've recently seen a number of potentially good scenes ruined by the guys gradually getting more and more aggressive towards their partners during scenes.

You see the girls starting out all-smiling and trying to put in a good performance, but by the end they are so shell-shocked and traumatised by the experience, one truly feels sorry for them.

Not exactly my idea of erotic.

There's nothing wrong with a good, hard sex scene, especially when the girls are equal participants in the action, but when the girls start to become the objects of near-brutal behaviour by their male partners, then you just know that what you've just been watching isn't porn, but like some twisted revenge fantasy against women.

The thing is, I actually like women, and would never dream of treating them in the manner that is becoming commonplace in porn these days - porn is about fun and fantasy, not about torture and humiliation.

Is all this nastiness a reaction to the progress of female equality in the 30 years or so, and all the bitter resentments that some men feel as a result?

Maybe.

Or is it that the guys involved in this kind of porn are merely brutal idiots who would beat-up their wives/girlfriends in their own private lives?

Again, maybe.

Whatever the answer, and all I have is theories, mainstream gonzo porn is getting uglier by the second.

Peace,

PG.
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Postby Grizzly on Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:54 am

Excellent post, PG, and exactly my sentiments. What I want to see in porn is girls that at least give me the impression that they are having fun and are enjoying themselves.

One more thought... is it only coincidence that at the same time gonzo movies got rougher, the make-up artists also started to seemingly dip the girls into their colourboxes? Tons of heavy make-up, clothes that would look great on any hooker out in the street... I mean, it's only a very small step from making the girls look like sluts to treating them like sluts.

Personally, I get a lot more out of seeing a naturally beautiful girl (and most of the EuroBabes fall into that category) enjoying a hard fuck than watching a grade-A bitch getting the same. So, producers out there: give me back a little bit of feel-good porn - or am I asking too much?
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Postby perfect gape on Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:01 am

the problem with assholefever, dpfanatics and co. ist the STYLE OF GAPING!

i just miss the good old "guck mal" gapes! There are just to many man hands who make the gapes! Of course it is all about the gape, but if around the gape are girl hands is much better, than "dirty disgusting longfingernails menhands" that ruin all the nice gapes on those productions....

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Postby sumsbums on Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:41 pm

Make-up and all that is just a matter of taste, in the end. That's not really something you can discuss - one guy likes DP, the next guy doesn't, you like them natural, others like them slutty...

What I'm talking about is the overall attitude of those assholes towards the girls.
Scene opens, the girl is smiling and trying to be sexy, when the camera guy randomly slaps her in the face. I do understand that, in the heat of a passionate fucking, dominant behaviour may occur and be a turn on to both participants. But this is completely lacking any sexual context, it's done for the purpose of giving the girl a hard time.
Or when they show off her gaping ass (I love gapes), you hear the camera idiot whistle and say "Yeeeeeaaaaaahh, look at my grandma's ass", and the whole crew bursts out laughing. It's the biggest turnoff I can think off, and if you look at the girl's face, you can practically see her thinking "I'm here for the money I'm here for the money I'm here for the money".

@PG_uk: Exactly.
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MORE GAPES PLEASE

Postby ELREY on Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:00 pm

IN THE FUTURE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE BIG GAPES, LIKE ANGELINA CROW, SANDRA ROMAIN OR KELLY WELLS.
ONE IDEA IS THE WOMAN OPEN HER ASSHOLE WITH THEIR HANDS, IS MORE SEXY. I LIKE WHEN THE MAN SAY: OH GOD IS THE BIGGEST OPEN ASSHOLE OR I WILL OPEN YOUR ASS AS LIKE tunel. There should be more conversation with pornsatr: when your first anal, when is the next, do you like the anal sex...
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Postby camaban on Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:46 pm

sumsbums wrote:Make-up and all that is just a matter of taste, in the end. That's not really something you can discuss - one guy likes DP, the next guy doesn't, you like them natural, others like them slutty...

What I'm talking about is the overall attitude of those assholes towards the girls.
Scene opens, the girl is smiling and trying to be sexy, when the camera guy randomly slaps her in the face. I do understand that, in the heat of a passionate fucking, dominant behaviour may occur and be a turn on to both participants. But this is completely lacking any sexual context, it's done for the purpose of giving the girl a hard time.
Or when they show off her gaping ass (I love gapes), you hear the camera idiot whistle and say "Yeeeeeaaaaaahh, look at my grandma's ass", and the whole crew bursts out laughing. It's the biggest turnoff I can think off, and if you look at the girl's face, you can practically see her thinking "I'm here for the money I'm here for the money I'm here for the money".

@PG_uk: Exactly.

I exactly thought the same thing when I watched the scenes from Black Angelica and Lucy Belle in Ass Traffic #3. Was my first and last movie which I bought from Mr. Raul Christian.

It seems he really thinks that it is erotic to slap the girls face, spits her in the face while she is handcuffed and treat her like an animal. In the beginning Black Angelica looks like she's looking forward to have a lot of fun. But after a few minutes you can obviously see in her face expressions that she only thinks when is this shit over.
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Postby sumsbums on Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:01 pm

Nihilist wrote:Allinternal/Asstraffic, etc are created afaik by Perfect Gonzo and have no affiliation to 21st Sextury sites.

I agree that some of the guys on that site do or did treat the models performing on there with little respect. A friend of mine has appeared on allinternal and asstraffic a few times and she has had some bad experiences (one of which she describes as her worst ever) and at the same time some good experiences.

Ok, didn't know which company publishes which series. But many actors appear on both companies' releases anyway, if I remember correctly.

I feel sorry for your friend, that's what porn shouldn't be like. I absolutely hate feeling like I witnessed a rape after watching a porn scene.

Another example of how cultivated those guys are:
"Tina is German and we all know the Germans... Rude, not too bright and sexually they love it extreme."
http://www.tamedteens.com/x26f7989/index7.html
Granted, I'm German myself, but I'd be just as offended if they said something racist like that about the Slovenian / French / American.
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Postby ubertop on Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:28 pm

I think that hard anal and gang bang gonzo films are best in porn.
The girls are excited when the action is hard.
But I hate when the guys spit on the girls and in their mouth, or when they slap their faces, this is disgusting. It looks like rape and it makes me turn off.
In good films, the action must be very hard, the girl must love to be hardly fucked, and this is not to be confused with rape.

camaban wrote:
sumsbums wrote:Make-up and all that is just a matter of taste, in the end. That's not really something you can discuss - one guy likes DP, the next guy doesn't, you like them natural, others like them slutty...

What I'm talking about is the overall attitude of those assholes towards the girls.
Scene opens, the girl is smiling and trying to be sexy, when the camera guy randomly slaps her in the face. I do understand that, in the heat of a passionate fucking, dominant behaviour may occur and be a turn on to both participants. But this is completely lacking any sexual context, it's done for the purpose of giving the girl a hard time.
Or when they show off her gaping ass (I love gapes), you hear the camera idiot whistle and say "Yeeeeeaaaaaahh, look at my grandma's ass", and the whole crew bursts out laughing. It's the biggest turnoff I can think off, and if you look at the girl's face, you can practically see her thinking "I'm here for the money I'm here for the money I'm here for the money".

@PG_uk: Exactly.

I exactly thought the same thing when I watched the scenes from Black Angelica and Lucy Belle in Ass Traffic #3. Was my first and last movie which I bought from Mr. Raul Christian.

It seems he really thinks that it is erotic to slap the girls face, spits her in the face while she is handcuffed and treat her like an animal. In the beginning Black Angelica looks like she's looking forward to have a lot of fun. But after a few minutes you can obviously see in her face expressions that she only thinks when is this shit over.
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Postby porndog on Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:54 pm

This isn't limited to the sites you mentioned at the start. Tamed Teens, Facial Abuse, Throatgaggers, on and on... It is the current "style" of porn. Made popular by the so called gods of porn - Rocco then Nacho and all the other clones that came after.

I watch porn for the beautiful women. Not for the pseudo drama, these insecure thugs are trippin' on.
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Postby claudia_rossi_fan_1 on Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:44 am

I really believe there is a misconception about Rocco, the guy obviously did his fair share of hard extreme fucking but he's always trying to find the limits of each girl and Rocco loves women to death, each scene for him is pure passion (look how much he sweats, his cock is hard on the get go) he always kisses the girls passionately, eat their pussy and ass like a hungry ethiopian, sometimes snowballs his own cum with girls and don't forget that he got his ass finger fucked many times by some girls.

Obviously a lot of things most male actors in gonzo don't do at all !

There are even with young and petite girls very soft scenes with tenderness (!) where Rocco get that he cannot go too far with them.

But maybe I am mistaken and some girls maybe have had some problems with him I really don't know.

And I am aware that he did the spit, slap in the face, hard anal way harder than anyone else but I believe it is his exploration of S&M, domination than just humiliation of women.

Despite his reputation, he always meet women in sex expos that want to fuck him.
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Postby pagangod_uk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:08 am

Very interesting, it appears that already the general consensus in this thread, is that most people don't like the type of rough/aggressive porn that is being pushed onto us by a lot of Producers.

Usually in most areas of business, it's all about supply and demand - ie: suppliers of product give the public what they want.

But in the instance of this more brutal kind of gonzo product, it would seem that the Producers are dictating to the Customer what the product should be, rather than the other way round.

Are these guys (the likes of Raul Christian etc.) in the business of working out a lot of their own pent-up, misogynistic rage via their porn product and pushing it onto the public?

It would appear so.

Of course, there must be a market out there for this 'anger' porn, but I rarely encounter it amongst British/European porn fans, this type of product (as I stated in my previous post) is much more popular in the American market, where most, if not all, of the Gonzo Producers are consistently knocking-out 'anger' porn in varying degrees of misogyny.

This is very telling, and gives an interesting insight, from a socio-cultural standpoint, into this disturbing idiosyncrasy in the psyche of the American male porn consumer.

camaban wrote:...I watched the scenes from Black Angelica and Lucy Belle in Ass Traffic #3. Was my first and last movie which I bought from Mr. Raul Christian.

It seems he really thinks that it is erotic to slap the girls face, spits her in the face while she is handcuffed and treat her like an animal. In the beginning Black Angelica looks like she's looking forward to have a lot of fun. But after a few minutes you can obviously see in her face expressions that she only thinks when is this shit over.

I too have witnessed this scene and know exactly where you're coming from, the gorgeous Black Angelica is woefully mistreated in this movie, but by stark contrast, in her DP scene at DP Fanatics, she really appears to be enjoying herself, and by the very end she has a happy, if not pleased, expression on her face.


So, are the Euro porn Producers merely reacting to this U.S. trend, and responding with the type of product the Americans would appear to demand?

Who knows, all I do know is that this particular porn-fan is fed up with seeing beautiful (and not-so beautiful!) women being so badly mistreated and degraded by these women-hating lunatics.

Peace,

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Postby El-ahrairah on Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:29 am

I've seen a few of those Raul Christian releases, and what has surprised me is who is doing some of the roughing up. Frank Gun? Csoky Ice? Nick Lang?! Sure, I expect the misogyny from the likes of Anthony Hardwood - who really needs to get his ass kicked on a daily basis - but those guys? I've never gotten the asshole vibe from any of those fellas or seen them pulling this crap in other titles, so I'm guessing this is a case of the Perfect Gonzo folks demanding the "rag doll" nonsense from their performers. As if inducing motion sickness with all the rapid camera movements and closeups wasn't enough...

"Perfect Gonzo: Where Misogyny Meets Motion Sickness. Catch The Excitement!"

One other point I would like to make about this type of action is how it typically reduces the female performer to a prop as far as sexual movement goes. Too often, the woman is pinned down or held still in the various positions while the guy jackhammers into her or throat fucks her. Actually, this occurs not just in rough sex scenes but in a lot of general gonzo as well (performers like Manuel Ferrara and Erik Everhard being two good examples; let the woman do something once in a while, chaps). I want to see the woman doing the bouncing and grinding when she's on top. I want to see the woman pushing back against the guy in doggy or even missionary. I want to see the woman actually perform an honest to goodness blow-job. I don't want all the focus to be on the guy as he pounds into the poor gal like a man possessed.

Let me put it this way. You could take one female performer who gives the greatest blowjobs known to man (preferably to this man) and another who can't suck to save her life, put them together in today's all-too-typical sex scenes, and you'd never be able to tell which is which. Why? Because the role of the female in oral sex action nowadays is to simply open her mouth and let Manuel or Anthony Hardwood grab her head and gag her like they're being paid by the snot bubble. The same thing applies to the other sex acts as well. You could take one lively, sexy gal who can bounce and grind with the best of them and another who is as stiff as a cigar store indian, and you wouldn't be able to distinguish the two. Why? That's right, gentle readers, it's because the lady is only a prop. If she's on top, the male will hold her down and do all the thrusting, oftentimes pinning her legs back in RCG or putting a death grip on her ass in cowgirl. Doggie means the female's face is pressed to the floor while the guy jackhammers away like some kind of wind up toy. And let's not forget the spoon position with the guy putting his fingers into the gal's mouth every two freaking seconds. No sexiness required at all from the female - just take the punishment, count the minutes, and wonder which freeway to take home when the proceedings are done.
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Postby Nihilist on Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:30 am

This is getting more and more interesting.

As customers of such sites surely its up to us to make the change after all the customer is always right. If it is felt so strongly that the methods employed by these sites are going beyond what we feel is acceptable then lets make a stance.

The first move would be to reinvent this topic with a poll. Something along the lines of "Is Perfect Gonzo going too far how it treats our models?" Obvious answers being Yes, No and Don't Know.

I won't start the ball rolling. I am happy to leave that to someone else to champion this cause. Once you have the ball rolling and have support, then I will use my influence to make this a hot topic on all the major porn news sites. I am well known as a major pain when it comes to causing serious problems for industry insiders and this one has my attention because I do fully agree and support this.

At the end of the day the models have a rough life and do not get paid as well as most people presume. Shoot days are very very long and demanding without the fact that they are going to get the stuffing beat out of them during their performance. As a collective, we can make a difference.
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