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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby camaban on Sun May 03, 2009 10:15 am

gapelover wrote:It's not about criticizing CC style and respect for the girls, it about his attempt to break in the Russian porn scene with the help of Juliana which will fail for sure. Some Russian guys are already pissed because someone tries to fuck up their productions. Juliana have to take care with her private dealing of models to Buda, she is not an agent and she could become enemy No.1 very fast for these unpleasant Russians.
Of course the scenes shoot by CC must be much better because he pays the girls double and more so everybody on set has to give the best and if Stagliano offers him the right amount of money he has no problems to pay actors highest rates ? Most other companies are suffering and are happy to get scenes for cheap at the moment - as you know lots of guys used torrents and rapidshare !
Finally working conditions in Russia are not that bad ( can't talk about all other cheap Russian productions), about good actors i agree, there could be some more - maybe its just a matter of time.

So if the girls have worked for all Russian productions like Sasha did they could turn on their brain (99% don't have a brain - ask Giorgio) :lol: and travel to Buda or Prague, why not. But much better would be if the "good directors" like CC would travel to Piter. Rocco traveled and everyone here in the forum praised Rocco's super productions in Russia. Unfortunately CC can't shoot in a palace with pool like he does in Buda ! But maybe he's able to book a palace for shooting in Piter - you have to ask him about ?


Ok, you're right with your points. But all in all it's a business and if someone want to shoot the girls outside from Russia, then it's normal that he pays the local fees, not the Russian ones.

What I really don't like about Russian porn is the fact that the Russian producers think they own these girls. But it's all about capitalism, who will pay the most, will get the service. How long will they need to get that?

And why did they care? Like I said, Mandy and Sasha had worked for all (?) prodcuers in St. Piter and there are many new girls every month who jump in this business. So why not just use the new ones and let the ones who are longer in the business give the chance to make real good money?

And I'm a little bit scared about what you said about Juliana. It sounds like she could be in danger? Or do I misunderstood you?
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby zup on Sun May 03, 2009 10:39 am

Most other companies are suffering and are happy to get scenes for cheap at the moment - as you know lots of guys used torrents and rapidshare !


Sure maybe they lose some money to filesharing, but some people including me and friends of mine actually pay for the high quality stuff that's out there.
But that monotone crap(new sineplex stuff,devils, and 99% of the websites with russian girls ) with the same settings, same boring male actors and girls that look like they rather be somewhere else, i would'nt watch it even if it was free.
So how do they expect people to pay for it? Sure blame it on filesharing instead of trying to improve.
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby chris on Sun May 03, 2009 10:51 am

zup wrote:But that monotone crap(new sineplex stuff,devils, and 99% of the websites with russian girls ) with the same settings, same boring male actors and girls that look like they rather be somewhere else, i would'nt watch it even if it was free.


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We love russian girls but not the boring St.P's russian porn.
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby camaban on Sun May 03, 2009 10:52 am

zup wrote:
Most other companies are suffering and are happy to get scenes for cheap at the moment - as you know lots of guys used torrents and rapidshare !


Sure maybe they lose some money to filesharing, but some people including me and friends of mine actually pay for the high quality stuff that's out there.
But that monotone crap(new sineplex stuff,devils, and 99% of the websites with russian girls ) with the same settings, same boring male actors and girls that look like they rather be somewhere else, i would'nt watch it even if it was free.
So how do they expect people to pay for it? Sure blame it on filesharing instead of trying to improve.

So true, I 100% agree. I already said this on another thread, we don't need more cheap porn, we need more quality. The comsumer is rather willing to pay for good porn than for cheap crap.

I'm really excited how Sasha and Mandy act in the CC scenes. The last scene I saw with Mandy in Buttfuck your Daughter 4 was so lame, she was somewhere else with her mind, only her body was there. And I nearly fell asleep, so boring was it to watch. But the director didn't care, only important is to have the scene, not if it's good or bad.
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby OneWhoKnows on Sun May 03, 2009 12:58 pm

Ok, first of all, please calm down people. Personally I think, if there are really problems between Christoph and the St. Petersburg based producers, they should clear them up themselves, behind the scenes. There's no need to do this on a public board, which a lot of people from the porn business read, too.

About the quality of the content produced in Piter: Personally I love a lot of that stuff, and I know quite a bunch of other people who enjoy it, too. So I guess that's a matter of taste. And actually I don't think you can compare high budget productions like Christoph's movies with productions that have a relatively low budget, like for example those of Russian producers. And guess what, these studios pay Russian rates because they are businessmen and have to think about their budgets. It's because of what their customers (website owners) pay them, which is far from a budget of an Evil Empire DVD production for sure.
For example, a webmaster has to pay around $1000 for an exclusive boy/girl scene from a Russian studio. From these $1000 the producers have to pay the girl, the male performer, camera guys, light/sound guys, makeup and rent for the apartement (which are VERY expensive in the city enter of Piter). So guess why they can't pay the models $1000 per scene.

So, if CC pays fees like that and flies the girls to Buda, because he has a high budget - fine. I don't see why both business models (Russian website producers and CC shooting high budget porn in Prague and Buda) can't work together. But even if there are problems, this board is not the right place to discuss them, because it'd be a private thing between CC and the producers who have a problem with what he does.

camaban wrote:What I really don't like about Russian porn is the fact that the Russian producers think they own these girls. But it's all about capitalism, who will pay the most, will get the service. How long will they need to get that?


Errmm... Who told you that? Do you know any of the guys who run studios in Piter? I don't. And I also don't know any of the girls personally, so as long as I only get my info from third parties, I don't write comments like that.

But well, as this discussion about working conditions in Piter is coming up in here again and again, I hope I can help clearing this up soon by visiting one of these studios (Teencore) together with gapelover.
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby zup on Sun May 03, 2009 1:59 pm

And actually I don't think you can compare high budget productions like Christoph's movies with productions that have a relatively low budget, like for example those of Russian producers.


Do you need a big budget to tell the actors not to act like robots or to at least pretend like they are enjoying the sex?
Do you need a big budget to get a guy to act like he's fucking a hot girl and not a piece of meat?
I mean if they have lots of anal with crazy gapes for cheap rates why not throw in an extra rubel or two and get some chemistry between the actors :roll:
The problem is not budget, it's incompetence.
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby OneWhoKnows on Sun May 03, 2009 2:21 pm

zup wrote:I mean if they have lots of anal with crazy gapes for cheap rates why not throw in an extra rubel or two and get some chemistry between the actors :roll:


Interesting world you live in, where you can buy good chemistry between people for money. Can I get a ticket? :mrgreen:
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby chris on Sun May 03, 2009 2:33 pm

OneWhoKnows wrote:
zup wrote:I mean if they have lots of anal with crazy gapes for cheap rates why not throw in an extra rubel or two and get some chemistry between the actors :roll:


Interesting world you live in, where you can buy good chemistry between people for money. Can I get a ticket? :mrgreen:


Have you ever watch CC or Rocco's scenes?or you watch only russian crap?
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby zup on Sun May 03, 2009 2:50 pm

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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby zup on Sun May 03, 2009 2:56 pm

OneWhoKnows wrote:
zup wrote:I mean if they have lots of anal with crazy gapes for cheap rates why not throw in an extra rubel or two and get some chemistry between the actors :roll:


Interesting world you live in, where you can buy good chemistry between people for money. Can I get a ticket? :mrgreen:


There are lot of good scenes out there with good looking male actors that threat the girls with respect and they often get good scenes from the girls.
Where i live, on planet Earth you can buy anything for money 8)
They are pornstars for christs sake if they can't act like they are having a good time they are in the wrong business.
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby Juliana Grandi (Karmen) on Sun May 03, 2009 4:00 pm

i am already enemy №1 for this russians
they try to scare me - but me i dont care too much
there is no way for do bad things to me - who wanna try - will get big troubles =)) ja ja ja
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby camaban on Sun May 03, 2009 4:57 pm

zup is right. Good scenes have nothing to do with the budget. The ideas of the director, the male and female talent, the camerawork, the chemistry between the actors, ... are the important things. But in Russia they are incompetent in nearly all these regions.

To OneWhoKnows: I don't know if the producers in Russia respect the girls they make their money with. But it doesn't look like, like I said it looks like they are only money machines for them.
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby Juliana Grandi (Karmen) on Sun May 03, 2009 5:05 pm

one my good friend told me: look Julia thats car i have, thats house i have thats life i have - i must say thanks for the girls with who i worked. because if they wasnt worked with there asses i will not all this
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby Mr_White on Sun May 03, 2009 5:30 pm

Christoph Clark wrote:incredible what i have to read,,i paid the same price for russian like hungarian


And that´s exactly how it should be IMHO.
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Re: gapelover's and OneWhoKnows' trip to St. Petersburg

Postby Redeye on Sun May 03, 2009 5:35 pm

one my good friend told me: look Julia thats car i have, thats house i have thats life i have - i must say thanks for the girls with who i worked. because if they wasnt worked with there asses i will not all this


And... good for him he made money working thats the aim, isnt it

The girls as far as i know are not forced to work, and if they think that the paycheck is not enough they always can try a regular job.

Move on fees dicussion are boring.
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