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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby horndogger on Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:40 am

Classic example of why PW cannot work with anyone, not even a simple 25 year old unemployed editor to help with uploading, because he must always be right ! Pierre, if you earn $10/hour, and you go to $15/hour, then you've increased your income by 50%, but $15/hour is a terrible wage. Your site has 6,000 members at the most, which is some of the lowest numbers among adult sites. 21sextury has 30,000 members.

You've got some nice new girls like Zoe, albeit handycam hotel room shoots. No more screenshots, anecdotes, stories, promises, LP evil empire speech ...... just release your handycam scenes !! Master, teacher, Masters degree in teaching
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Pierre Woodman on Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:26 am

21st doesn't have 30 000 members and many sites you believe making "big money" don't !!! Do not try explain to me how to do money or what I have to do. My structure will survive to many of those supposed be 'the mammuth" of this industry, you will see and after almost 7 years you predict my end I am stronger and stronger every year.
You just loose your time, I have almost 8000 members now, and I feel very happy. I am not only focus on making porn now, I am starting to fight against piracy on the web in the medias.
2 days ago, it was the international conference to protect the youth, ( this year in Hungary ) where I have been invited to speak about the dangers of pornography and violence on the internet for childrens.
In front of important politics, member of UNICEF and journalists, during 25 minutes, I have explained how piracy, helped by the tubes, is a danger for youth.
Yes I do pornography, yes there are some violent images in my movies, but this is an entertainment for adult and not something chidren must see. Today unfortunately because of the tubes in one click child have access to my work and it's a scandal.
This is just the begining of my crusade against all bastards who just think they will never be punished for what they do when they steal a porn video and upload it for free on the net. These images should never be seen by chiildren but this is one of the main result of their action.
The tubes owners have to be denonced has criminals, and the minister of youth I have met agree on it. This was a big buzz that a porn director comes to this place and no one expected this ... so it makes noise now !!!
I hope this is a first step in direction of a cleaner internet of the future.



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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Am0rIn0 on Sat Oct 03, 2015 3:48 am

interesting point and true for sure. pushing tubes to create kind of an access system where people must do an ID and age check would hit them very hard.

i wish you all the best (seriously), hope some other big guys will chip in, but i doubt as they feed tubes fat with their content for free and really believing this will increase their sales in the long run. people must learn that there is no human right for free porn as porn is also not free to produce. tubes teach them the opposite.

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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby gusbus on Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:05 pm

Sounds very noble restricting pornography from children. But on the flip side, how many girls watch porn while underage and get inspired to become pornstars at 18 years? Off the top of my head, Meg Magic wouldn't have become a star. But I digress
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Pierre Woodman on Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:33 pm

First time Armorino is on my side !!! I have to put a cross on the wall LOL ... But thanks I apreciate your words.

Meg Magic wouldn't have become a star


Bullshit !!! For one who is attract you have 100 hundred who reject the idea especialy because they know EVERYONE watch porn even their little sister and brother underage !!! I had 10 times more candidats for casting 20 years ago than today and I have rejected hundred and hundred of girls in past that I wish I could have today for my 2015 business ...
Tube and piracy are the end of pornography !!!

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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby gusbus on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:42 pm

Lemme reword my point with some questions:

How many girls in your castings have viewed porn under the age of 18? Do you think that watching porn while underage influenced them to become adult actresses?

This isn't the right thread to be debating this anyway
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Am0rIn0 on Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:23 pm

Pierre Woodman wrote:First time Armorino is on my side !!! I have to put a cross on the wall LOL ... But thanks I apreciate your words.


cheers :mrgreen:

gusbus wrote:Sounds very noble restricting pornography from children. But on the flip side, how many girls watch porn while underage and get inspired to become pornstars at 18 years? Off the top of my head, Meg Magic wouldn't have become a star. But I digress



to recall pierre, this is simply bullshit. Just look 10-20 years ago when almost nobody had internet in czech rep or hungary. these were golden times with super model like women decided to do porn because they knew nobody of their family or friends can spot them.

a couple of girls I shot even stopped porn because ruseful shot them and put this scenes on tubes a week after and they were spotted by friends... to just give one name: "veronica heart".

this tube problem for sure is also a problem why girls prefer escort over porn.

agencies also must consider this when sending models to companies like ruseful they must consider that these models stop soon due to social pressure.

gusbus wrote:Lemme reword my point with some questions:

How many girls in your castings have viewed porn under the age of 18? Do you think that watching porn while underage influenced them to become adult actresses?

This isn't the right thread to be debating this anyway


I am free to answer...

For sure you will never have full control and underaged people will watch a porn scene if they want. but problem with tubes is the sheer mass of content, it is not like daddy's couple of dvd's or porn mags you had a look at once a week. tubes are accessible from every internet connected device within seconds by simply entering a URL. this leads to a huge amount of uncontrolled consume, i have no figures or stats, but i suppose a lot of underaged people are already porn addicted (means watching porn for hours almost daily) and in this age where body and brain is not fully developed of course influences and harms psyche a lot.

If we consider that 4-5 biggest tubes are under alexa top 100 this is a "market" who must be regulated. every shit is regulated but not this kind of big "business" what is imho quite strange.

while a porn paysite has kind of protection against underaged due to payment processing a tube is accessible for everyone.

i wonder that this topic was not on the table years earlier and also from other big companies.

but ok MG already owns the big ones in USA, XVideos also seems to expand (didn't know they swallowed DDF and for sure this is just beginning).
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Robin on Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:38 pm

I don't share the view of Pierr about tubes be harmful for childrens and the legal sites doesn't be harmful, why?... because in the pay sites also there are explicit images and trailers with 1-3 minutes of sex, and there are many legal tubes without stolen videos but with videos of 8-12 minutes that companies upload their own videos or have agreements with them. There really is not much difference.... here several samples of legal tubes http://taxi69.com/, http://beeg.com/

the explicit content is out there, in pay sites and all kind of tubes. Internet it's like that and should be the parents who put filters on their computers. Before internet the children also we had access to porn through magazines or vhs that some older brother, friend, etc... brought us... :twisted:

but my concern is (and with that I'm agree with Pierr) it's about this monopoly in this biz, actually it's starting to dislike me...
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Am0rIn0 on Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:48 pm

In my post I refered already to your arguments:

- Prevention: You can not prevent children from watching it, but you should limit the amount and make it harder to get access to it. Me and my friends watched porn on VHS and mags with 14 years. But once in a while and not daily. Tubes invite to a daily consume as they are eas to access and supply milions of scenes

- Prevention from porn pay sites: yes also free trailers must be regulated. this makes sense.

- filters by parents: Parents are not informed and for sure don't know every tube site in the world. Here the responsibility must clearly shift to few hundred porn tubes and not to hundreds of millions parents.

- trailers at tubes: i also upload teasers once in a while, but so many stuff is stolen and so called "user uploads". my CMS is based on tube script and guess what function you have in admin area? Yeah u can upload stacks of videos to user accounts and even type in amount of views and ratings. :mrgreen:

now you know why ruselful clips always are so top at yp and ph.
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby utopiaa on Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:09 am

Lets imagine all tube sites disappeared tomorrow. You really think it would stop girls from getting seen by their friends/families?. When a scene it uploaded to a popular site like woodmancasting or 21s for sure someone will recognize her. There is trailers and pics all over the site without the need to verify age. Only! reason why Pierre and others want tubesites to disappear is because they believe they will get more paying members. In this age of information nothing stays secret if it ends up in the internet.

They don't care if the girl gets noticed. In fact if the girl stops because of that they might have something other sites wont have. And Like with Pierre for example, he shoots most girls only once, so he don't give a rats ass if they shoot for others or not, and makes deals with many to get their anal exclusivity for a period of time and tells fake horror stories of other companies.

But even after i say all that i think tubesites at the current format are bad too as i believe they decrease the amount people use to sub to different sites. But please just truthfully say so and stop the BS about the reason being because of underage kids and girls getting recognized.

But there is one good thing about tubesites thought. It has preserved lots of classic porn that would of been lost forever otherwise.

TLDR: Girls would still get recognized as much as now, even if tubes disappeared tomorrow, and the only reason why many producers want them to disappear is because they believe they would get more money.
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Robin on Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:01 pm

In fact there are companies who produce their own content for to show it for free, the best example is Cumlouder. According Pierr, what we have to do in this case? we must stop this too? Cumlouder owner is free for upload his full videos for free in his site if he wants.

All the most important companies (and smaller too) have their another standalone sites with free clips with a longer of 9-12 minutes ( Here is a sampling of many http://www.teamskeet.com/reddit/ ) or have channels in these big tube sites like Xvideos for uploading long clips linked to their pay sites because in internet the traffic is the key, and everything works around traffic for get sales or another profits through ads.

Xvideos or Pornhub who are the giants can dissapear today, but there are another thousand tube sites with legal content (or not) who will replace the first Alexa rankings.

This "war" about free porn is lost beforehand, best way is work hard for make the best content as possible and forget if there are sites out there with your free videos. Don't put the children as an excuse to try to wrap this up, because childrens also will have access to tons of videos since 1 to 5 or 12 long minutes and it is same sex explicit that if the video is 30-40 minutes...

Internet is here to stay, it is so, and we cannot return to the days of the dvd's without internet and without free contents...
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Am0rIn0 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:34 pm

utopiaa wrote:Lets imagine all tube sites disappeared tomorrow. You really think it would stop girls from getting seen by their friends/families?. When a scene it uploaded to a popular site like woodmancasting or 21s for sure someone will recognize her. There is trailers and pics all over the site without the need to verify age. Only! reason why Pierre and others want tubesites to disappear is because they believe they will get more paying members. In this age of information nothing stays secret if it ends up in the internet.


Not prevent from seeing but less risk for sure and thats enough. it is a difference if she gets seen at a tube by her friends one week after her first scene or one year after her first scene.


utopiaa wrote:They don't care if the girl gets noticed. In fact if the girl stops because of that they might have something other sites wont have. And Like with Pierre for example, he shoots most girls only once, so he don't give a rats ass if they shoot for others or not, and makes deals with many to get their anal exclusivity for a period of time and tells fake horror stories of other companies.


But consumers do care that their favorite girls stay as long in biz as possible. and also agency who put lots of energy into scouting want models to work as long as possible.

utopiaa wrote:But even after i say all that i think tubesites at the current format are bad too as i believe they decrease the amount people use to sub to different sites. But please just truthfully say so and stop the BS about the reason being because of underage kids and girls getting recognized.


Of course it is also financial motivation, as porn sales get worse every year and their is no bottom in sight. nobody denies this. but protecting underages is a valid goal and both go hand in hand.


utopiaa wrote:But there is one good thing about tubesites thought. It has preserved lots of classic porn that would of been lost forever otherwise.

TLDR: Girls would still get recognized as much as now, even if tubes disappeared tomorrow, and the only reason why many producers want them to disappear is because they believe they would get more money.



classic porn is cheap to buy for sure, if not tubes some paysites would have taken care of it. maybe even in a better quality.

More money... any money, dude do you run a paysite? i do and know what, from my stats one out of 500 visitors is willing to pay. and this is actually a great conversion rate. i heard brazzer converts at 1200:1. it is not about "more" money it is about survival.

every content owner sells his stuff, brazzers, ruseful, ddf, giorgio... the motto is get rid of it as long you get something for it.
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Am0rIn0 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:51 pm

Robin wrote:In fact there are companies who produce their own content for to show it for free, the best example is Cumlouder. According Pierr, what we have to do in this case? we must stop this too? Cumlouder owner is free for upload his full videos for free in his site if he wants.


Of course everybody can decide if he wants to give it or "free". but is really for free or just a strategy to attract more site visitors? also tube are not charity who provide porn out of a good will. they have huge server costs and also need banners and ads to make profit.

anyway cumlouder than must provide a verification system. should not be a big deal for a huge company.

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All the most important companies (and smaller too) have their another standalone sites with free clips with a longer of 9-12 minutes ( Here is a sampling of many http://www.teamskeet.com/reddit/ ) or have channels in these big tube sites like Xvideos for uploading long clips linked to their pay sites because in internet the traffic is the key, and everything works around traffic for get sales or another profits through ads.



I also have my channel. but conversions drop and drop. simply because why pay if you can get millions of scenes at tubes? to give scenes for free to a tube is short term thinking (typical for this biz) in the long run it will break your neck as your conversions drop.

last teaser video i published had 300.000 views first day. gave me about 3 sales. conversion rate of 100.000:1, super traffic. :lol:

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Xvideos or Pornhub who are the giants can dissapear today, but there are another thousand tube sites with legal content (or not) who will replace the first Alexa rankings.



every tube must be compliant of course or get shut down..

Robin wrote:
This "war" about free porn is lost beforehand, best way is work hard for make the best content as possible and forget if there are sites out there with your free videos. Don't put the children as an excuse to try to wrap this up, because childrens also will have access to tons of videos since 1 to 5 or 12 long minutes and it is same sex explicit that if the video is 30-40 minutes...

Internet is here to stay, it is so, and we cannot return to the days of the dvd's without internet and without free contents...


work harder and make better content will only have a short term effect as it takes market shares from competitors only. but his will not save you in the long run as the cake (market volume) gets smaller and smaller. with each scene we deliver to a tube to make a tiny sale we make them more powerful. anyway as i dont need cash from porn i will watch it relaxed, but others whose only income is from porn should prepare for a plan B.
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Robin on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:17 pm

Am0rIn0 wrote:
Of course everybody can decide if he wants to give it or "free". but is really for free or just a strategy to attract more site visitors? also tube are not charity who provide porn out of a good will. they have huge server costs and also need banners and ads to make profit.

anyway cumlouder than must provide a verification system. should not be a big deal for a huge company.

Ok, same way for xvideos and others if finally they do that, providing a verification system, so problem solved.


Am0rIn0 wrote:I also have my channel. but conversions drop and drop. simply because why pay if you can get millions of scenes at tubes? to give scenes for free to a tube is short term thinking (typical for this biz) in the long run it will break your neck as your conversions drop.

last teaser video i published had 300.000 views first day. gave me about 3 sales. conversion rate of 100.000:1, super traffic. :lol:

Here there are many factors that come into play about the conversion in a pay site and that I'd rather not discuss.

I tell you just what I've heard in big companies that the conversion in tube sites like Pornhub is excellent. Also years ago I was at head of the production and organization about webmasters and promotion in a important spanish affiliate program coordinating the issue of the tubes and the conversion was very very good even though the contents were very upgradable.
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Re: Zoe Valami

Postby Am0rIn0 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:58 am

depends from where you start doing your math.

of course if you only consider the 0,5%-1% of viewers who click trough these ones convert, still under average but it converts.

if a tube video has 300.000 views, with 1% CTR and this gives in the meantime only a couple of conversions, tissue industry earns more with it than yourself. :lol:
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