PORN STATS: BUSINESS DOWN 2/3

[robot]

http://ekonom.ihned.cz/c1-51933680-sex- ... nevydelava

interesting stats. use google translate. for those of you naysayers, hackers, pirates and dreamers, just know that the end of porn as we know it looks quite real... "Sex draws, but doesn't pay" that's the title of the article.

[dap-addict]

Very interesting, thanks!
Porn sales in Czech down from 2004 to 2011 to one third.
Which is 1/14 of current escort expenses but was 1/20 in 2007.
A Budapest based model told me recently within only 3 years she got down from 5 scenes per week to just 1!

[alexxx]

Dear robot the article is very interesting and repeat something we have already discussed here in EBI and in other forums.
Yes, the sales are generally going down and customers in Internet are not subscribing for their lifetime but just short periods.
Anyhow, the main point is that porn itself is changing. For me it is like the cinema from the mute period to the song-voice period: some stars disappeared, others came. And the industry adapted itself!
In fact it is not longer only the dirty video itself (even if everything start from there) as it was in the past with VHS and Betamax.
Moreover the videos can be shared without physical spport and there are few controls we can do on that.
My business side is very upset but I have to recognise that in a more idealistic way porn is now more widespread and available to everybody wanna enjoy it.
Now porn is also communities, sex shops full of many kind of sex toys, webcams, live-shows; somehow sportswear (not just the Rocco's t-shirts) and the far you go...we can imagine places to see (hotels, bars, discos) and general entertainment.
The problem is that the money from all these kinds of ancillaries is not always going in the pockets of those working in the production.
The richest guys remain those managing integrated prods like Larry Flint who can minimise the piracy effect but still suffer because is not involved in most of the newest ancillaries.

What will happen? We'll likely see prods becoming integrated and squeezing costs...which mean hard life for all those guys in the backstage but not necessarily for the most talented girls. Because they will be requested more and more and not just for hardcore scenes....but tv shows, gala, private evenings, webcams etc etc On the other hand we'll have less free dogs as in the past when 3-4 naughty guys were used to take a van and make castings in Transilvania
But they will not disappear...because I'm sure some of them will find something so original (and necessary) for future's porn.

I would like finally to remember that the 15th richest guy in Hungary is somebody owning many webcam sites like Livejasmin.com.
Do you think he's complaining about the end of porn?

[claudia_rossi_fan_1]

The only porn sites which are thriving are the ones who made a deal with the devil aka tube sites mainly brazzers & co...

I d like to hear what Pierre Woodman has to say about this.

He clearly says that in 5 years tops, porn as we know is dead.

His site is struggling like mad and his content is stolen 1 hour after being put online.

He has industry data ( he knows how many members 21 sextury has for example) and he knows for fact the busineess is having a quick and silent death.


How do you compete with free content ?

You just can't.

The music business didn't figured it out in 10 years

The DVD/Blu Ray market is not figuring it out either, even if you account for VOD which will never compensate for mkv, torrent and rapidshare traffic.

Porn will be the same.

Porn won't die of course but nobody will pay for it, only banners for escort, cam sites and adultfinder thingies.

I know I am right and any other analysis is wishful thinking, the " porn will adapt" thing is just misguided.

[robot]

thanks alexxx, but you're just one of the naysayers/dreamers
and webcams are one of the new porn media ventures, although the quality of experience varies widely, and is not for mass consumption (1 girl cannot satisfy thousands or even more than 2-3 actually)
anyway i will let you guys debate amongst yourselves, i just wanted to point out some stats from an economic magazine unrelated to porn (hence, not biased) to say that piracy is killing the business.

[epicurus]

I agree that piracy is having a huge effect on the business but one can't forget the economy as a whole. I used to belong to several sites for multiple months but they have been letting people go at my work because our business is down in the recession, so I've had to cut way back to save up money in case I'm next (and my wife has gone from full-time to part time at her job). Now it's one site at a time and only for a month. It's a tough time.

[arnoldsty]

Unless something is done about the torrent and other download sites as well as tube sites, I don't see how the current industry will survive. Maybe the mainstream movie makers, video game makers etc will put an end to those sites and porn will be the side and unintented beneficiary.

Or maybe when tube sites succeed in killing of the porn industry and there are not a lot of new videos to upload, they will start producing porn or become an authorized porn distributors.

Another method could be that the well established networks like Brazzers, Reality Kings, 21st Sextury offering cam girls and other freelancers a platform to show their scenes( maybe even live) in exchange for a commission per viewer.

[karasek]

thanks alexxx, but you're just one of the naysayers/dreamers
and webcams are one of the new porn media ventures, although the quality of experience varies widely, and is not for mass consumption (1 girl cannot satisfy thousands or even more than 2-3 actually)

Instant porn is the future. Soon webcams will offer better resolutions, modern communication (like live polls) will give the audience the chance to control the action. This can be connected to instant pay systems and so on.
Porn was dead many times, but at the same time it was the leader which pushed new technologies, because the demand for porn never declined. The industry just needs to be creative. And the answer to piracy is a new user experience, which means direct contact (via Internet) to the models. This can't be shared.

[robot]

thanks alexxx, but you're just one of the naysayers/dreamers
and webcams are one of the new porn media ventures, although the quality of experience varies widely, and is not for mass consumption (1 girl cannot satisfy thousands or even more than 2-3 actually)

Instant porn is the future. Soon webcams will offer better resolutions, modern communication (like live polls) will give the audience the chance to control the action. This can be connected to instant pay systems and so on.
Porn was dead many times, but at the same time it was the leader which pushed new technologies, because the demand for porn never declined. The industry just needs to be creative. And the answer to piracy is a new user experience, which means direct contact (via Internet) to the models. This can't be shared.

yeah well as for me, cams have never attracted me and i never even tried. i dont care which hot chick is on the other end. i want my chicks either on my screen as pix or vids, or on my dick, not stringing me along for an hourly fee or by the minute and i cant even touch them. I think cams are for guys who have never held a real hot chick in their life and who are just happy to wank along on the thought of some hot girl naked for a personal experience. guys like mx, sad fucks stuck between their smelly webcam wanking and their aimless compilers and spending all their money on ersatz of satisfaction if all of porn is left but cams, then i'll certainly not be a porn consumer. Not that I am much of one, actually.
and if you think the "new user experience" is to watch a dumb chick type some mind-barfing, inept, 2-word answer in broken english, in the hope of catching a glimpse of a boob or a camel toe, then yeah, the future of porn looks bright
alright - bun is off the soap box. for good

[Vulture]

I think it's too easy to blame the file-sharers. Most modern porn simply isn't worth paying for and thus most of the modern porn producers get what they deserve. If the internet has killed porn it's because it has become too easy to film something on the cheap and get it out there at inflated cost rather than because everyone is busy stealing the content. The market is saturated with cheaply made, ugly, misogynist product born of the internet boom. This is the first point to be made.

The music industry is a good comparison point. Studies have proved that those music consumers who download a lot of stuff for free also spend a lot on CDs, gigs etc. whereas those who download little also spend very little. Essentially, music fans have an amount they budget per month and then beyond that they consume for free, should their appetite necessitate it. So no-one loses. I don't think porn is too much different, although there is 1 key difference in that the music fan probably places greater stock on having a large number of attractive original titles to display to friends etc., whereas the porn fan will be less bothered if their latest fix is on original or copied DVD or whether it's a genuine as opposed to shady file on their PC etc., given that due to the nature of the product it will be hidden away from view. So as some have mentioned, the live aspect of porn may have to step up to the plate in the same way that live music has. After all, you cannot download a live gig/sex show. DVD porn in particular does thus face a big challenge.

Nonetheless, the process of downloading, burning etc. is a fairly arduous and soulless one. I've done it, as I'm sure we all have. Like with my music consumption I'm happier purchasing reasonably priced stuff than going to all that effort, although like with my music I don't rule out continuing to consume for free if my appetite demands it. So porn continues to have a friend in me, as I'm sure it does in most of us.

So where is the problem? I think we need to see much higher quality, more-reasonably priced contemporary adult material before the porn makers can start crying foul personally. At present, my biggest problem is that I just can't find enough decent stuff (ie that doesn't involve girls being battered into submission or weird fruit being plunged into prolapsed arses) to buy. In pushing the boundaries, porn for me is failing a massive chunk of its core market and then looking to pass the blame to a minority of freeloaders.

[Mr_White]

wrong point. music you can listen always for free. on the radio. period.

so, is there a free porn radio (or tv to be more precise)? none that i know of.

hence you simply can not compare music to porn. period.

so. why not blame file sharers? because ............ (please feel free to give us a reason that we may accept)


frankly, from my point of view (as a porn watcher) a world in which the woodmans (or whoever) would not be able to earn any money by producing porn will be a world without porn. period.

maybe you should think about it, before you try to find "reasons" to call theft an acceptable thing .......

justmy2cents

[tcb121]

Interesting topic. I have to agree that file sharing in general is slowly killing the porn industry. As bandwidth increases, things get much easier to distribute to a wider audience. My experience has been this:

Back in the dial up modem days it would take you forever to download a VHS quality porn video, so nobody even tried it. Back in those days you either ordered the VHS tape or rented it from a video rental place that carried adult videos. I spent 40 - 60 dollars a month renting VHS tapes from the early 90's on up through the early 2000's when the industry started switching to DVD. DSL bandwidth then came along and you could grab a ripped DVD scene in a reasonable amount of time and IRC file sharing was the route to go back in those days. Ok, not to go through all the history to get to my point..

It's not uncommon to have 30 Meg Download speeds these days, so sure. That 1.2GB HD scene of your favorite porn star out on that torrent is no big deal to get. You can have it faster then you could get it from the official site if you were a member, and it doesn't even have DRM. The people I know who consume porn all use a combination of services and $$ support to get what they want. Some subscribe to a site and pirate other content that is not offered on the network of sites that they subscribe to. Some use subscription newsgroups and torrent sites only. Others have a small handful of porn stars that they follow and only get the scene with that porn actress, so they don't even subscribe to a site. They may purchase the DVD or Bluray, but only if it contains the actress they are looking for. Some still rent and rip movies from the local video rental store, but those places are starting to go out of business as well. Money and resources are being spent on porn, but not in the same way it was 10 years ago. Technology has come to far and file sharing has gotten too easy. The actual porn product is totally awesome these days. The euro girls that are in the industry today are amazing. What the porn industry needs to do is get in on the broadband side of things or start their own subscription newsgroup / torrent that all porn consumers would buy into. All sites / all content. Kinda like the NFL's revenue sharing amongst the 32 NFL teams. Sure, you have some crappy teams that don't sell out their games on Sunday, but they still put out a product and are good for the league overall.

[oA_Ao]

I like it, if i can pay for clips i really want ... and not for a period of 30 days..
For example, WUNF - P. Woodman's site.

All other sites, with 30€ per month are way to much, if I want only one (new) clip.
The payment methods should become also easier (paypal,...).

[campeon]

The only reason anybody makes porn,is money....

So if money goes completly out the window, porn as we knew it, is dead.

Can you imagine escort bussiness when someone figures our how not to pay the escorts? Would they do it for free?

I know people who play music for free for an audience that doesn't play music... in fact they lose money.

I know people who fuck for free... they kinda like it.

Nobody fucks and shows ir to an open audience that it is not also fucking, for free....

[Vulture]

wrong point. music you can listen always for free. on the radio. period.

so, is there a free porn radio (or tv to be more precise)? none that i know of.

hence you simply can not compare music to porn. period.

so. why not blame file sharers? because ............ (please feel free to give us a reason that we may accept)


frankly, from my point of view (as a porn watcher) a world in which the woodmans (or whoever) would not be able to earn any money by producing porn will be a world without porn. period.

maybe you should think about it, before you try to find "reasons" to call theft an acceptable thing .......

justmy2cents

It's not theft if you also consume though. The "theft" actually drives further consumption so it's win-win for the industry.

I agree that the comparison with music isn't perfect but there are some strong similarities.