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Porn is paid per scene? Isn't that unfair for everybody?

Postby rightnow11 on Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:34 pm

I have heard that porn is paid per scene. So for example a so called "Boy/Girl Scene" (means 1 man and 1 woman have sex) costs XXX $.

But if you look at "Behind of scenes" or ask people, the complexity of the creation can be quite different. So there are studios which produce the scene in a nearly movie-like context and also with a lot of makeup.
So first a complex makeup is applied, then there is a prelude filmed in a city where the actors meet randomly (well of course it's acting), then they sit in a coffee and that is filmed, then they go in a hotel and so on. The "Blacked/Vixen" sites for example make it often that complex. All in all, producing the scene needs hours or even nearly day.

Then there are scenes where the girl just comes in a hotel room and a quick POV scene is filmed. Not even much makeup is applied. Everything is done in 1-2 hours.

...... But as i have heard, both costs the same? Is that true? Something that is done in an hour costs the same than something that is done in a full day?

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How much costs a simple Boy Girl scene or a even things like gangbang etc nowadays ?
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Re: Porn is paid per scene? Isn't that unfair for everybody?

Postby bakerboy on Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:02 am

You are almost correct. In most adult productions, it is generally as you say . The models show up at the appointed time. They do their own make up, bring their own wardrobe and "the director" just tells them what " meat and potato" sex he/she wants them to perform..... and off they go.... In 2 to 3 hours with 2 cameras he gets at least 3 hours of usable material and off to the next scene.

Some productions hires models based on a script, proper schedule and a professional crew. This crew includes "the pretty departments" such are make up artist and wardrobe person. Production like that works like a mainstream movie making, based on 12h days and paid also by the day. To get 3h of usable material in this format it takes about 3 to 4 days. So you do the math....

In recent years with the advent of OnlyFans, LiveJasmin etc.... the models are less likely "bother to waste" a day on set somewhere if they can do " 2 to 3 hour gonzo shoot" and then go back home to continue sticking objects into themselves.
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Re: Porn is paid per scene? Isn't that unfair for everybody?

Postby Norman Nailer on Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:42 pm

bakerboy wrote:In recent years with the advent of OnlyFans, LiveJasmin etc.... the models are less likely "bother to waste" a day on set somewhere


I am no insider but I am interested in the fact that even after OnlyFans et al. and the proliferation of piracy, there are still plenty of scenes of the kind I like, where beautiful young ladies nicely made up and in smart lingerie get fucked in luxurious settings. These cannot be cheap to make.

The few sites where I still pay membership - Private, Vixen, Dorcel and a couple of others - are cases in point. Clearly their scenes are more than just 'quick-fuck-before-going-home-to-my-cam'.

Juliana Grandi consistently shoots Europe's most beautiful women in suitably lovely locations in the Greek islands, Venice, Sardina, Paris, Tuscany.

Are the girls paid more? Do they get travel expenses? Is the prospect of going to such places seen as an opportunity by Eastern European girls, whatever they may earn?

(Not just EE girls though, for example Scarlett Jones a Brit babe with a law degree has done outstanding scenes in attractive locations for Julia.)

So what exactly are the comparative financial advantages for a babe of

a. Fucking for Julia in a beautiful villa with a view of the sea.

b. Fucking for Private in London or Barcelona.

c. Fucking for Dorcel in Paris.

d. Taking on half a dozen in three holes and drinking piss at LP.

e. Pretending to be in a hostel or a taxi in Prague and suddenly finding yourself 'taken on a ride'.

f. Turning up at a budget hotel in Budapest to be cajoled into sodomy and slapping by Woodman.

... among many others.

Plenty of girls have done all of the above, and more. It would be interesting to know what range of recompense is involved here.

Another theme would be the comparative financial advantages of porn v prostitution.

Again, many girls do both, many more have tried both and stuck with one.

For example Eva Berger shot dozens of scenes but is now content just to turn a couple of tricks per day in France, while on the other hand Shalina Devine sold her wonderful body all over Germany before quitting the oldest profession and carving out a niche as the best pornoMILF of all time.
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Re: Porn is paid per scene? Isn't that unfair for everybody?

Postby Norman Nailer on Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:00 pm

Brit lovelies Scarlett Jones and Honour May ride ebony in a setting worthy of their beauty.

How much were they paid? And what were the other costs - flights, taxis, villa hire, meals, equipment, etc. ?

Presumably also the black stud had to be offered a few cents for his tough day at the office... ?

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Re: Porn is paid per scene? Isn't that unfair for everybody?

Postby bakerboy on Thu May 11, 2023 9:29 am

Norman Nailer wrote:
bakerboy wrote:In recent years with the advent of OnlyFans, LiveJasmin etc.... the models are less likely "bother to waste" a day on set somewhere


.......( I have edited for sake of simplicity the rest of your post)

c. Fucking for Dorcel in Paris.

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From the ones listed Dorcel is the ONLY one actually making movies..... I am sure, that all models were paid /per movie ( or per day if a shorter role). The ONLY who pays per scene are those who are making and selling scenes, NOT scripted movies. But I believe that making real movies is unfortunate formula which is not as much profitable as in the olden days.
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Re: Porn is paid per scene? Isn't that unfair for everybody?

Postby someguy1964 on Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:45 am

While many studios are still doing movie-length features that last around 80-120 minutes, plenty of studios are now focusing almost exclusively on 15-20 minutes scenes.

As an example, Private in the 90's shooting expensive features like 'The Pyramid" trilogy, or "The Scottish Loveknot". The models appearing in the films would be paid by the scene because depending on what they're doing in that particular scene.
A girl who appeared in 3 scenes in "The Pyramid" for example, would make 3x what a girl who appeared in only one scene made.

Vixen, Tushy, X-Are [who I understand is starting back up soon] have a different business model in that they don't do full length features but instead shoot many brief videos lasting anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes. This means the cast for the videos is smaller, and the time to shoot the video is shorter. Because there's only one scene in these short videos, everybody understands up front what they are getting paid.

What's really unfair is when a film or video has massive success and earns the studio a lot of money over the years....the models who appeared in it won't see any of that money.

Whether a film or video short makes $10,000 or $100,000 for the studio, the models having the sex in the product have already signed the contracts and been paid. There's no such thing as revenue sharing in the porn industry that I'm aware of, and when consider how massive an industry it is, the sheer amount of money it generates, this is one of the big reasons porn is so profitable.

Most models are with an agency, which takes a cut of their earnings for helping to set up the job. So if a model earned $800/hr for a Vixen video short, and she got $2,000 total for the day's shooting, the agency is going to take anywhere from 10%-15% of that usually. She keeps the rest, and she doesn't see any more $ from that video whether it sells only 50 copies or 500,000.

On the bright side, if she's very good and the videos sell a lot, she will get more work. And she can raise her rates for future productions.
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Re: Porn is paid per scene? Isn't that unfair for everybody?

Postby bakerboy on Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:06 am

If an average model charged $800 per hour there would be NO business for anybody. Models or studios.
Now, getting $ 400/ per scene ( which can take in a more professional production 3 to 4 hours), is more like it. The studio then gets 20 to 30 minutes of final material.
For those, like Dorcel, who usually make scripted films ( albeit they make the other stuff also), to make 90 min scripted movie ( with sets, costumes, props and the rest of bells and whistles), if they paid per scene lets say on 10 day shoot, they would also go broke.

... and there it goes.
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