corporal punishment at US schools

[Xenomorgue]

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1931921320080820?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

It must be shocking for American parents to realize that their 3-year old daughter can be spanked at school by a teacher for a trivial offense (e.g. chewing gum), and that this is normal procedure and the teacher has legal immunity to do so.

[hardware]

I'm sure parents are upset when any punishment is administered inappropriately. Otherwise, why should anyone be shocked? Assuming the parents aren't immigrants themselves, chances are that they experienced the same thing when they were in school.

Since the author does not put any of the information provided into context, I find it has little or no value, beyond stirring up people who can't think for themselves.

For example, "in the South more blacks than whites are struck..."

Oh my God, racial discrimination! Well, maybe. However, since there are more blacks than whites in most schools in the South, we don't really know if their race is being singled out for punishment or not.

Furthermore, we don't know if the teachers punishing the black children are black, white or brown. We don't know when punishment is done appropriately and when it isn't. We don't know the ratio of corporal correction to verbal correction.

But, hey, let's not allow facts to get in the way of sensationalism.

[hopless3]

I'm sure parents are upset when any punishment is administered inappropriately. Otherwise, why should anyone be shocked? Assuming the parents aren't immigrants themselves, chances are that they experienced the same thing when they were in school.

Since the author does not put any of the information provided into context, I find it has little or no value, beyond stirring up people who can't think for themselves.

For example, "in the South more blacks than whites are struck..."

Oh my God, racial discrimination! Well, maybe. However, since there are more blacks than whites in most schools in the South, we don't really know if their race is being singled out for punishment or not.

Furthermore, we don't know if the teachers punishing the black children are black, white or brown. We don't know when punishment is done appropriately and when it isn't. We don't know the ratio of corporal correction to verbal correction.

But, hey, let's not allow facts to get in the way of sensationalism.

when I went to school at, least for the first few years, coproral punishment was still leagal and it is widly reconised now that there were far fewer problems than there are now.

No one was given so much punishment as to harm them but it did help to stop the disruptive idiots who wanted to stop the rest of us learning.

And over here our papers have NEVER let facts get in the way of a good story.

[Xenomorgue]

In the USA an adult who touches a child inappropriately is considered a predator who should be locked up for many years; unless the perpetrator is a teacher and then the physical abuse is considered appropriate and protected by law.

[hardware]

Poor Aldous Huxley, nobody reads him anymore.

[hopless3]

Poor Aldous Huxley, nobody reads him anymore.

That may indeed be a pity. Incidently Aldus Huxley was infact one of George Orwell's university lectures.

When they talked about 1984 Huxley comented that he thought his version of a Totalitarian state would be more likely to be true.

Orwell saw sex as being baned to weaken interpersonal bonds Huxley saw rampent promiscuity being made the norm to stop thes bonds forming.

Seeing how the world seems to be going I think Huxley coment on 1984 was right.

[hardware]

Orwell saw sex as being banned? What a silly notion. It is a cardinal rule of leadership to never issue an order you know won't be obeyed.

PS - Marriage and monogamy are only requirements in a male-dominated society. Look at the bonobos - http://songweaver.com/info/bonobos.html - they manage quite well without them.

[Xenomorgue]

American society got its morals and values from the colonizing power England. And while England has changed considerably since then (though probably to a lesser degree then other countries in Western-Europe), America still clings to obsolete English notions about sexuality, discipline, authority, class, crime and punishment. That is why so many Europeans feel a bit embarrassed about America: like a time capsule it reminds us of our pre-enlightenment past.

[priapos]

Yes, i think you have a profound understanding of American society Xeno. Here in Massachusetts it's still forbidden to take a bath on Sundays and our women are required to wear chastity belts. And we still put our witches thru trial by ordeal ...

You know, you are a singularly unpleasant individual. It's no wonder you can get laid because i've met blocks of wood that have more wit and charm than yourself. Why all this incessant anti-American screeding on a site devoted to our beloved EuroBabes? Aren't there any forums out there for chess geeks and math nerds who also happen to enjoy masturbation?

[Xenomorgue]

I support Human Rights Watch. You don't.
That is the difference between us, Priapos.

[hardware]

Xenomorgue isn't happy unless he has somebody to look down on, preferably American.

I just post to expose his bias. There's no point in trying to have a conversation with him.

[Xenomorgue]

At ADT there were in fact a few reasonable American posters (e.g. Gay Satyr, Max Booty, Bill, RandomPrecision, Lindi) with whom a European poster could have a decent conversation.

[priapos]

OK Xeno, self-annointed conscience of human rights on this porn forum, allow me a final word, after which i shall make every effort to avoid these tiresome & irrelevant threads of yours.

Believe me there are bigger differences between us than which human rights organizations i belong to or even which side of the Atlantic i come from. (BTW i fully support the important and excellent work of HRW and follow their reports thru the media.)

This is the "Nonsense" department of the forum so u can post about any topic, but if u consider human rights nonsense you should be stripped of your title "Human Rights Advocate". The fact is that you're not a effective advocate when u waste all your ink on ur obsessive US-bashing and American-baiting. This is a porn forum and i dont think the vast majority of members give a flying fuck about your pathological rantings. If ur trying to stir up anti-American PORN feelings, there are already plenty of threads where that comes up. But i mean there's got to be a better outlet for your political prejudices than here!

It would appear that folks over at that other forum, which you incessantly bring up (as if anyone cares whether "Gay Satyr" was reasonable or not in your opinion), found your content & style inappropriate and unwelcome, so why do you persist here? The admin is pretty tolerant (if bafflingly arbitrary at times), so i suppose you'll keep attempting to convince peeps about the crimes of America (and i do believe the US is guilty of much), while everyone else pursues their hobby of chatting about (and wanking to) beautiful East European women and their pix & vidz.

Cant u just be a good perv and find some other outlet thru which to vent your hatred for the US & Americans? It's frankly just annoying and inane. Why dont you go offer a critique of my selections of top American starz on the Babes thread? Can you do that without bring up human rights? I am sure that each and every one of those lovely young things is innocent of any violations and need not be wisked off to the Netherlands for trial because of the plight of American indians (one girl actually is mestizo)! If you want to call them out for corporal punishment in the classroom, many of them are well-known to enjoy a good spanking in their schoolgirl outfits!

Well that's way more attention than your nonsense merits, Xeno, so i'm out of here!

[sbando]

I agree that a thread like this only exists to make people angry.
Just ignoring it is not enough.