The Mars & Venus thread

[Am0rIn0]

i get tired by circling, so to keep it short:

of course emotional chemistry is important, it is impossible to seduce a woman without it. plain sex without emotions exists only in prostitution. but some guys can build up emotional chemistry within hours some guys need months to do it and many will never be able to. you want to know what is given to girls?! a jouyful evening and a joyful sexual act most others didnt ever give them and new sexual experiences and practics.

btw who gives you the right to call others (mostly self confident men who are successful with women) "assholes"? this is quite arrogant dont you think so? you live in your subjective world with strong moral standards which are your safe harbour but which limit you. believe what you want even if i would call most of your views (not all) quite naive. live with it but dont complain afterwards and dont tell others what they have to do only to match your morality and political correct views.

people who think they own moral superiority are mostly all the same. they feel weak inside thats why the use "morality" to feel stronger than others who enjoy their lifes. but most moral crazy guys are just whiny creepy losers who masturbate on girls instead of fucking them. a new generation of modern submissive slaves who live to work for others, financing everything and getting ripped of by women monetary and emotionally, ending masturbating most of their time. they believe that they are free and normal, hate others with different opinions from their mainstream ideology.

i just hope for you that you dont fall into that category.

[Bruno]

of course emotional chemistry is important, it is impossible to seduce a woman without it. plain sex without emotions exists only in prostitution. but some guys can build up emotional chemistry within hours some guys need months to do it and many will never be able to. you want to know what is given to girls?! a jouyful evening and a joyful sexual act most others didnt ever give them and new sexual experiences and practics.

Emotional chemistry must come from two sides, it's not like men can trigger this in a girl whenever and wherever they want. It's typical player talk when somebody says that they can take any girl they want and with the right moves she will always say yes. Why? Because all women are different and they like different guys. Nobody is God or Superman, they can only delude themselves into thinking that they are, in order to turn off their conscience and natural empathic feelings. So it's impossible to build a kind of "artificial emotional chemistry" just when you want it, because emotional chemistry is not artificial, it's something that comes naturally and you can't impose it upon people. So in these cases, it must be called manipulation, just like a robber takes somebody's watch when his friend is distracting the victim.

btw who gives you the right to call others (mostly self confident men who are successful with women) "assholes"? this is quite arrogant dont you think so? you live in your subjective world with strong moral standards which are your safe harbour but which limit you. believe what you want even if i would call most of your views (not all) quite naive. live with it but dont complain afterwards and dont tell others what they have to do only to match your morality and political correct views.

Usually I don't call people assholes, but some people think they can do anything and get away with it, because they only think of themselves and don't give a bullshit of what others think or if they hurt other people. And the only favour that you can do to those people is to face them with the facts, because they will not see it from themselves. If you think this is my opinion because I'm not confident, it would be strange to call me arrogant, because to be arrogant you need to have confidence first. So either one of those two isn't true.
There is nothing wrong with being self-confident or successful, but most people who have those qualities still have some common sense and realize that they don't "own" the world for themselves, that there are still other people which you should take into account. Live and let live. If you can't reach your goals in a respectful way towards others, it's not an excuse to step on corpses, like assholes do. If you still choose to do so, it will only lead to short-term success because finally society is stronger than an individual and you will pay back.
Oh, and I don't know what politics have to do with this.

people who think they own moral superiority are mostly all the same. they feel weak inside thats why the use "morality" to feel stronger than others who enjoy their lifes. but most moral crazy guys are just whiny creepy losers who masturbate on girls instead of fucking them. a new generation of modern submissive slaves who live to work for others, financing everything and getting ripped of by women monetary and emotionally, ending masturbating most of their time. they believe that they are free and normal, hate others with different opinions from their mainstream ideology.

Having morals is not crazy. In fact everybody has them, also you. The only difference is that your morals are very primitive, because from your stories it looks like you only follow the path of your basic instincts and never discover new things. That seems pretty boring for me, because one of the things that humans can do unlike other animals, is ignore their instincts and do the opposite. Sometimes it's indeed better to masturbate than to fuck. For example, if you bring a beautiful girl home who is totally drunk, what would you do? Fuck her for your own pleasure while she will remember nothing the next day but only feels the pain in her pussy, or respect her as a person, care for her, and come back the next day to ask if she feels already better? That's not weakness, it's strength. Men who are truly in control of their instincts will make the right choice, because it will become very clear who is the gentleman and who is the asshole here.

If you really think that guys who masturbate are losers, then you are saying that 95% of all men are losers.
So who is being arrogant and thinks he is better than all the others?

[Am0rIn0]

hi bruno!

where have you been? i almost thought you decided to stop wasting your time on ebi and starting to become the first dutch pick up guru!


women (except borderline chicks) love self confident men who are not ashamed for their sexuality. of course these kind of men can have different personalities. but if you are a whiny, unsecure, needy and creepy loser all normal women will avoid you. except borderline chicks because they love submissive men who are easy to control.

about that drunken girl, why you would bring her home than? you made your decision before you brought her home. if she is at home you than must take her, if you play the gentleman you risk that she doesnt remember you next day or even worse if she is not drunken enough she will think that you have no nuts and are a pussy. you will not believe it but this is a reason why many men mess it up with a girl they just dated a few times and where they emotional aspect seems right. they are simply afraid to get physical and girls feel that unsecureness and bang you are out! just happened with one of my friends he dated a chick a few times and he was crazy about her. they went spend lots of time together, cinema, restaurants usual stuff. i told him to kiss her on the first date because she is into him. he didnt do. i even wondered that she is still dating him. i was surprised that he really managed to get for a "tv evening" at his home. i told him that she is ready once a girl decides and to be alone with you she is ready, you must get physical. she was lying together with him in his bed and he didnt even stroke her because he was afraid to do something wrong... end of story when he called her to set up another date she told him that she couldnt develope feelings and that is better to stay "friends". chance wasted! if he would have stroked her, kissed her and layed her they would be now happy together. but women dont want unsecure boys without nuts, they want men who know what to do when they are alone with a women! they give you so many signs but most guys simply dont understand them. come on bruno tell me how it looks when you date a girl. when do you think is the right time to kiss girl? how many dates? do ask her if she allows you to touch her?


it was not about morals in general, it was about higher morals. but in bed morals are displaced, the best fuck you give to women with your basic instincts and some techniques.

bruno, i wrote masturbating "most of their time", i assume every man with a healthy sex drive masturbated at least once in his life. an old friend of mine once even said "once you rubbed yourself a really good one than you know that sex with a woman is just a substitute." but i suppose he just fucked boring girls.

[Bruno]

where have you been? i almost thought you decided to stop wasting your time on ebi and starting to become the first dutch pick up guru!

I've been spending time talking with girls, I thought you already knew that. And no, I wouldn't want to become a "pick up guru" because it will harm my reputation of being the good guy.

women (except borderline chicks) love self confident men who are not ashamed for their sexuality. of course these kind of men can have different personalities. but if you are a whiny, unsecure, needy and creepy loser all normal women will avoid you. except borderline chicks because they love submissive men who are easy to control.

I'm not sure if you understand what borderline is, but usually girls who suffer from this have low self esteem, en thus they are unable to "control" other people, especially men.
They can not even control themselves, so this would be a bit difficult.

about that drunken girl, why you would bring her home than? you made your decision before you brought her home. if she is at home you than must take her, if you play the gentleman you risk that she doesnt remember you next day or even worse if she is not drunken enough she will think that you have no nuts and are a pussy. you will not believe it but this is a reason why many men mess it up with a girl they just dated a few times and where they emotional aspect seems right. they are simply afraid to get physical and girls feel that unsecureness and bang you are out!

Afraid to get physical? I don't think so, because in some occasions they are so drunk that they need a lot of "physical support" to get home or they will simply fall asleep before the club exit.
Secondly, I would bring her home in the first place because I have empathic feelings and because in most cases, the other guys are not bothered or try to take advantage of the situation.
Maybe it's my father's instinct, I don't know, but in this case I must take responsibility as a man, which is greatly appreciated by women afterwards.
So it has nothing to do with being "insecure" or "afraid", it is just that I use my brain to think, and not my dick, like some others.

just happened with one of my friends he dated a chick a few times and he was crazy about her. they went spend lots of time together, cinema, restaurants usual stuff. i told him to kiss her on the first date because she is into him. he didnt do. i even wondered that she is still dating him. i was surprised that he really managed to get for a "tv evening" at his home. i told him that she is ready once a girl decides and to be alone with you she is ready, you must get physical. she was lying together with him in his bed and he didnt even stroke her because he was afraid to do something wrong... end of story when he called her to set up another date she told him that she couldnt develope feelings and that is better to stay "friends". chance wasted!

Well, I agree with you that you must take your chances of course, and this example shows that there was no chemistry between them, so it wouldn't have worked anyway. Maybe the girl expected things from him that he didn't provide, so probably he's better off with a different girl that likes him like he is naturally. Like I said, true chemistry is in most cases something that "happens" between two people, you can't tell it beforehand, or impose it on people. It's a process in the brain with substances like dopamine, endorphines and hormones. There must be a spark of fire between them to activate this process. If you are simply not the type of man a girl is looking for, you can get physical and try as hard as you can, it's not gonna work.
You said that your friend wasted his chance because he didn't act like you told him, but the things that he does on his dates must also come from himself, he must do them because HE wants to do them, not because he's told to by others. If he doesn't feel happy to do the things YOU would do, he is fooling himself by playing a role which is not himself. Girls notice this very quickly, so it's useless for him to do or say one thing, and at the same time his body language is saying something totally different. It's not gonna work.

if he would have stroked her, kissed her and layed her they would be now happy together.

We don't know what would have happened if he behaved differently. The girl said to him that she didn't have feelings for him, but she didn't tell him the reasons for this. Naturally there must have been a certain moment when she took this decision, and if this moment happened just before your friend would start to do the things you told him to do, big chances are that she would move back or look on her watch to tell him that she needs to go home. So many times I see guys in clubs starting to touch girls who don't want this, and then still they continue because they think it's just a "shit test". Believe me, girls are more logical in their thoughts than most men think. They are all different and like different types of men, just like we guys all like different types of girls, easy like that. So it's non-sense that if all men would behave like you, they would attract the girl they need or want. Some guys like very outstanding women who dress like vamps and take all the attention, getting approached by dozens of men every night out, and others like quiet wallflowers, who sit in the corner being shy, and not noticed by most guys because they look or dress differently. These two types of girls need different types of attention from a man, and so they need different types of men.

i assume every man with a healthy sex drive masturbated at least once in his life.

Even twice I think, if he is a real nymphomaniac.

[Am0rIn0]

"I've been spending time talking with girls, I thought you already knew that."

as man you only can make them really happy by fucking them, they can also talk with their girlfriends.

"but in this case I must take responsibility as a man, which is greatly appreciated by women afterwards."

but not appreciated by fucking with you afterwards.

" this example shows that there was no chemistry between them, so it wouldn't have worked anyway. Maybe the girl expected things from him that he didn't provide"

it was on the 5th date were the were together lying and sleeping together in one bed. the dates before had an duration of 5-7 hours each. the chemistry was very good. but the girl expected him to fuck her or a least do a make out with her that evening and he didnt. he even asked her next day if it would have been ok if he would advanved more (what is a sign of total insecureness, what makes women flew away), and she resplied "yes", but it was already to late. every women who is ready to go home with you and to be alone with you finds you attractive wants you at this point.

"Like I said, true chemistry is in most cases something that "happens" between two people, you can't tell it beforehand, or impose it on people. It's a process in the brain with substances like dopamine, endorphines and hormones. There must be a spark of fire between them to activate this process. If you are simply not the type of man a girl is looking for, you can get physical and try as hard as you can, it's not gonna work."

true but it is a dynamical process, like in that example above the basics were there, but what you mean with spark is simply the step to get physical. who else shall get physical first? the girl? no my friend you are the man you must be the one who starts to advance.

you can meet THE woman with who you match emotionally perfect, but if you are not man enough you mostly will mess it up. there are 2 columns: attraction and emotional comfort. you need both to get a girl and both columns are dynamical they can increase and decrease with your actions. in that example my friend had lots of emotional comfort but completely messed up his attraction in that last date and by asking her if she would have been ready for make out.

"You said that your friend wasted his chance because he didn't act like you told him, but the things that he does on his dates must also come from himself, he must do them because HE wants to do them, not because he's told to by others. If he doesn't feel happy to do the things YOU would do, he is fooling himself by playing a role which is not himself. Girls notice this very quickly, so it's useless for him to do or say one thing, and at the same time his body language is saying something totally different. It's not gonna work."

yes, but most girls even appreciate it when a boy they like jumps over his shadows even if he is unsecure by doing a make out he has enough nuts to try it.

"if this moment happened just before your friend would start to do the things you told him to do, big chances are that she would move back or look on her watch to tell him that she needs to go home."
so better never try it? bruno, when than to try it if not when she is spending the night with you in one bed???!

"So many times I see guys in clubs starting to touch girls who don't want this, and then still they continue because they think it's just a "shit test"."
true, but you must differ. if a guy goes over and starts to touch a girl it is creepy and needy. if that guy and girl had eye contact before and she gave him an invitating smile it means she is attracted and he can start advancing.

shortly: 1. physical advancement without attracion --> creepy and needy
2. physical advancement with attracion --> increases your chance because you show balls and if you touch a woman who is attracted to you she will get horny (thats how basically fast seduction works and you can get even the hottest models horny and make them fuck with you, first flirting and once you see the signs that she is attracted physically advance... kiss... boom... bang)
3. no physical advancement with attracion --> lowers you chances because she thinks you have no cock and are not a man

"These two types of girls need different types of attention from a man, and so they need different types of men."

yes but "men". and imho most guys dont deserve to be called "man".

bruno, you are a smart and honest guy i bet you are really good with building up emotional comfort what is very important to seduce women. but you limit yourself because of this limiting believes towards physical advancement. women dont want to fuck with guys who are ONLY emotional, smart and talkative. you must also more sexual and physical to show them that you want them as women and not only as friend.

they also want you to get physical when beeing alone with you, but they want you to do the first step. my experience is if you kiss them on the lips they even start to advance by giving you tongue, but they will rarely do the first steps, so you must move your lips to her lips first. (except if drunken or really nymphos).

your limiting believes are basically:
1. women generally dont like sex as much as men (i tell you every sexual healthy woman is even more sex crazy, sometimes i am really affraid how horny they can turn)
2. women dont like to get touched by men in gerneral (right if she is not attracted by that guy, but wrong if she is attracted)

so bruno that is it, my experience proved basical theories of pick up to myself. you are right that women are indeed very logical once you understood their mechanics that's why pu works so well. pu is nothing else more than a model about how women work (especially their selective subconscious, which makes them feel attraction or not) and helps men to understand them logical. there is really nothing more to say. you should try something new and discover new things, you just would need to forget your limiting believes and start to learn how trigger attracion (dhv, negs, preselicon, social circle, status, physical escalation) than you could become really powerful.

but you must decide and i said everything on this topic was has to be mentioned for me it is not a matter of believing i know from experience that it works. but you are too much a believer you should really try something new. because if you dont manage to fuck the girl you want and secretly love another guy will do it for you sooner or later.

[Bruno]

it was on the 5th date were the were together lying and sleeping together in one bed.

Really? And he didn't even try to kiss her? That's quite extraordinary then, I agree with you.
I thought that they were just watching TV, like you said earlier. Maybe he thinks beds are only designed to sleep in.

true but it is a dynamical process, like in that example above the basics were there, but what you mean with spark is simply the step to get physical. who else shall get physical first? the girl? no my friend you are the man you must be the one who starts to advance.

Agree.

so better never try it? bruno, when than to try it if not when she is spending the night with you in one bed???!

I didn't say that he shouldn't try, I only said that trying is not a guarantee for success.
On the other hand, you are right when you say that if you never try, you will also never have success. but this seems only logical for me.

(thats how basically fast seduction works and you can get even the hottest models horny and make them fuck with you, first flirting and once you see the signs that she is attracted physically advance... kiss... boom... bang)

If your aim is to get fast and short-term results, yes, this is possibly the best method. But it will not give you the best sex. The best sex usually happens between two people who know each other better and took the time to learn each other's bodies and this can not be achieved in one day. Also, scientific research concluded, that people who have sex on the first date have a much lower chance to stay together than people who wait and take their time. And of course I don't mean that they have to wait for marriage, or that it's wrong to have sex on the first date, I only mean that building up the tension can improve the joy and pleasure you experience from sex instead of jumping straight on your target and make a number. If you only have sex like that, you will never advance to the next level of creating a special emotional bond with a woman.

yes but "men". and imho most guys dont deserve to be called "man".

Just because they make different choices and prefer to invest more time in a woman, in order to get long-term results? That's just silly.
Maybe you are satisfied with just one-night-stands, and think that you don't need anything more advanced than that, but in that case it's also what you will get forever, because you mess up your chance to get more. And there IS more. You show girls that you are interested, you have sex, and afterwards they complain because they discover that you were not interested in THEM, but that you were interested in SEX. Most women prefer a man that is interested in them as a person MUCH more than just go for a one-night-stand. If you understand this, and you are sincerely interested in her as a person, you would also want to give her what she needs, not only what you need for yourself. This is not messing up, this is investing time and money for better results further on the road.
You said some time ago, that every human feels the need to reproduce himself, that's how we are programmed. In order to achieve this, you need to control yourself and your sexual desires, because a one night stand rarely leads to a relationship and offspring, this is also what scientific research concludes. Most of the guys in clubs who use your method of short-term results are coming there for decades until they are 45 or 50 years old, because they can't advance and control their needs. And one day they will realize that the young girls aren't interested any more because they have become too old for them. They will end up like a sugar daddy, an old guy who will give them sex and short-term pleasures, but will never be the father of her future children. For this she will go to a serious guy who understands what she really needs deep inside of her.

bruno, you are a smart and honest guy i bet you are really good with building up emotional comfort what is very important to seduce women. but you limit yourself because of this limiting believes towards physical advancement. women dont want to fuck with guys who are ONLY emotional, smart and talkative. you must also more sexual and physical to show them that you want them as women and not only as friend.

I "must" do nothing. If I go home, sleep, and wake up the next morning, the world will be the same as the previous day, and there will be the same chances. There's no need to hurry. If a girl is really interested in me, she will be also interested in me the next day. If not, she was also not interested in me in the first place, or she prefers another guy who will give her short-time pleasure. It's not my fault if she will regret it afterwards, when she discovers that this guy only advanced for the sex,and not for her. A woman deserves more than that, and when I talk to her, she always agrees with me. Some women will indeed stay friends, but what is wrong with that? A friendship can also be valuable, and by talking you learn a lot about how women think and what they really want. I'm not that frustrated that I'm only interested in them for the sex, and if I was, I would disqualify myself for the majority of them, who prefer long-term relations. A smart guy knows this, and acts accordingly.

your limiting believes are basically:
1. women generally dont like sex as much as men (i tell you every sexual healthy woman is even more sex crazy, sometimes i am really affraid how horny they can turn)
2. women dont like to get touched by men in gerneral (right if she is not attracted by that guy, but wrong if she is attracted)

I don't remember that I said either of those lines, and I also don't believe in them.

And on the contrary, I think that your beliefs are more limited than mine, because you are unable to advance beyond your short-term results. It's like running the marathon like Usain Bolt, meaning that you will get tired after 1 km. I save my energy in order to reach the finish. You say I'm limiting myself because after all, you are running much harder than me. But my goal is not running harder than you, but reaching the finish line!

so bruno that is it, my experience proved basical theories of pick up to myself. you are right that women are indeed very logical once you understood their mechanics that's why pu works so well. pu is nothing else more than a model about how women work (especially their selective subconscious, which makes them feel attraction or not) and helps men to understand them logical. there is really nothing more to say. you should try something new and discover new things, you just would need to forget your limiting believes and start to learn how trigger attracion (dhv, negs, preselicon, social circle, status, physical escalation) than you could become really powerful.

I don't know those terms. DHV? Presilicon? Is pre-silicon something that you do before a girl gets a boobjob? Or is it just a spelling mistake again?
No, it's not powerful, it is mostly superficial, and doesn't lead to the results that I want. Maybe it will get me more sex (quantity) but what I want is BETTER sex (quality) and for this, manipulation techniques are working even counter-productive. If you really need to learn tricks and techniques in order to get a girl's attention it's pretty sad actually, because it means there's nothing interesting about you that will attract a girl in a natural way. If you're a DJ at a party and you play cool music for example, girls will come and ask for names of songs or just talk with you because you make them feel good and dance, and you need no tricks at all. Just follow your passion and act naturally, this works much better.

but you are too much a believer you should really try something new.

It's true that I'm more the idealist and you are more the pragmatist, fortunately everybody is different. I'm also convinced that we attract different girls, and it's good because if there were only guys like you or guys like me on this world, the other type of girls would feel very unhappy. Maybe you should try my method sometimes too, investing more time in a girl and treat her like an equal in value, instead of dominating her. You will see that it will lead to some surprising new discoveries which you didn't know they existed before, and which will give more satisfaction in the long run

[Am0rIn0]

"If your aim is to get fast and short-term results, yes, this is possibly the best method. But it will not give you the best sex. The best sex usually happens between two people who know each other better and took the time to learn each other's bodies and this can not be achieved in one day. Also, scientific research concluded, that people who have sex on the first date have a much lower chance to stay together than people who wait and take their time. And of course I don't mean that they have to wait for marriage, or that it's wrong to have sex on the first date, I only mean that building up the tension can improve the joy and pleasure you experience from sex instead of jumping straight on your target and make a number. If you only have sex like that, you will never advance to the next level of creating a special emotional bond with a woman. "


for sure very emotional sex between 2 people who love each other will be best as long they are in love. the problem is i felt real love the last time 10 years ago... if you have much experience you can find out what a girl like easily during intercourse by doing something and watching her experience. i start with light dominance and increase that dominance until i feel the border of pleasure. i get aroused when the girl is really into it or is a great optical fuck. to build up tension is good but taking to much time also destroys the tension like in that example mentioned before. on the 3rd date it must be clear where the journey goes. the art is to build up tension very fast. all same day lays were that horny that i sometimes get afraid how nasty women can be if really horny. a man's hornyness is nothing against an aroused woman.


"Just because they make different choices and prefer to invest more time in a woman, in order to get long-term results? That's just silly."

not because of that, to invest time is ok. to show unfaked interest in her personality is a must. but to get her you also must show you sexuality, to touch her, stroke her and kiss her during getting to know her. only "men" who are fine with their sexuality and know how to seduce a woman deserve to be called "men". her lies the problem most guys are afraid to get physical even to women who are attracted and send signals to them.


"A woman deserves more than that, and when I talk to her, she always agrees with me"

of course she agrees, how could she disagree and losing her face?? you are a bit naive here. also better dont talk about women with such topics. it sounds to me like you are the friend to whom they run after they got dropped from their last beloved "asshole". than they cry and talk everything off their soul, taking the victim role, in that story she is always the poor innocent girl and on the other side is the bad "asshole" who fooled her. you are the understanding and nice guy but accidently single and a few laters she is together with the same "asshole" or found another one. pls do me a favor and dont believe this shit easily. it is always the same, girls need somebody to make him their emotional trash bin. take a distance from that black & white stories. dont be their psychologist or advocat.


"If a girl is really interested in me, she will be also interested in me the next day. If not, she was also not interested in me in the first place"

it is a dynamical process couples who got divorced after 10 years of relationship also once were in love with each other. if a girl is interested in you and you dont notice it by not seeing the signs she can lose that interest after a few weeks.


"Some women will indeed stay friends, but what is wrong with that? A friendship can also be valuable, and by talking you learn a lot about how women think and what they really want. "

nothing wrong with that. but trust not everything what they say, some girls can give you good advice, like not to run after them or dont be easy to get as man, to make a girl laugh, what are really good advices. but others will tell you all that mainstream crap (i.e. nice and caring man who does everything for them) which they believe is true but actually is not (except that caring and nice man would be an really attactive one). and at this point pu helps.


" I think that your beliefs are more limited than mine, because you are unable to advance beyond your short-term results."

now i will work on an open long time relationship just to prove you wrong. but really, it is interesting to read your points, i really could be a bit nicer sometimes to girls and i will work on that. i also felt that sometimes women seem to be afraid of my self esteem. and an attracted but afraid woman is as bad as an woman who is not attracted but likes you.

" If you're a DJ at a party and you play cool music for example, girls will come and ask for names of songs"

actually there is almost nothing better than to get in contact with women and to pick up them as to be a dj. the techniques are just a way to increase the success rate. if you are a natural pro you can increase your rate, if you are a whiny wimp you can at least have a woman from time to time and getting better and more self confident. we are not stars with millions of fans who attract girls automatically and get raped by groupies. we are the majority of this society, nothing special, small wheels, with usual jobs and hobbies. majority of people live to work for the elites, to earn money to buy things they dont need.

[Bruno]

only "men" who are fine with their sexuality and know how to seduce a woman deserve to be called "men".

Fortunately it's not you who decides who is a real man or not. If they have a penis, they are a man, even if they use it only to fuck other guys.

of course she agrees, how could she disagree and losing her face?? you are a bit naive here. also better dont talk about women with such topics.

What's wrong with talking to women about certain issues? You can learn a lot about what they think and want if you take them seriously, and if you close yourself for it, you get lost in your own prejudices. Because you don't talk to them, you can easily think that they never tell the truth, complain, or always play the victim, and all this kind of crap generalizations, simply because you don't understand them. Maybe you see them as lower value creatures, because you always talk about how you must dominate them, and that this is the "natural" thing to do with a woman. There are also guys that like to be dominated by a woman, but does that make them "less man"? If they enjoy that role, what's wrong with it??? Every man or woman is individually different, so you can not tell what to do to make them like you. Just like all men like different kind of girls, all girls also like different kind of men.

it sounds to me like you are the friend to whom they run after they got dropped from their last beloved "asshole". than they cry and talk everything off their soul, taking the victim role, in that story she is always the poor innocent girl and on the other side is the bad "asshole" who fooled her. you are the understanding and nice guy but accidently single and a few laters she is together with the same "asshole" or found another one. pls do me a favor and dont believe this shit easily. it is always the same, girls need somebody to make him their emotional trash bin. take a distance from that black & white stories. dont be their psychologist or advocat.

Funny that you are talking about black & white stories, because you do exactly the same. You always talk about "they", as if all the girls behave in the same pattern, "they" play the victim, she is "always" the poor innocent girl, it is "always" the same. Have you ever thought about your pick-up style and that this could be exactly the reason why girls behave like that when they are with you? Because if they really all do this, it is much more likely that your behaviour is the reason, and not that all these different girls are "accidentally" all the same type of whining victims.

nothing wrong with that. but trust not everything what they say, some girls can give you good advice, like not to run after them or dont be easy to get as man, to make a girl laugh, what are really good advices. but others will tell you all that mainstream crap (i.e. nice and caring man who does everything for them) which they believe is true but actually is not (except that caring and nice man would be an really attactive one). and at this point pu helps.

What's wrong with running after a girl? Girls like attention, and if you don't give it to them she will find another guy who gives it. You can play "hard to get", but in 99% of the cases if you just ignore them it will not work and they will ignore you back, because why should she be interested in a guy who doesn't pay her attention? So you end up playing hard-to-get both, and never reach each other. Also it's true that women are better off with a nice and caring man indeed, because he will not disappoint her after one day and run away with another. Deep inside all girls want stability instead of a player, because only in this stable environment they are able to create a family.

[Am0rIn0]

" Maybe you see them as lower value creatures"

only slightly lower from status, that is enough to interact with them.

"Because you don't talk to them"

of course i talk with them, but i mostly lead interaction by asking them questions and let them talk blablabla.


"There are also guys that like to be dominated by a woman, but does that make them "less man"?"

yes, because real men are leaders who show the way and dont follow others like slaves.


" You always talk about "they", as if all the girls behave in the same pattern"

what you tell me are typical negative stories which pu taught. yes all girls with a healthy sex drive have a basic pattern. just about 20% are low sex drive chicks who love submissive men. individual each women is different by her experience, so to build up attraction they are all the same, to build up emotional comfort they are all different. hope you understand that.


"What's wrong with running after a girl? Girls like attention, and if you don't give it to them she will find another guy who gives it. You can play "hard to get", but in 99% of the cases if you just ignore them it will not work and they will ignore you back, because why should she be interested in a guy who doesn't pay her attention? So you end up playing hard-to-get both, and never reach each other. "

uh oh bruno, there is a huge differnce between running after a girl who is not attracted to you and advancing to a girl who is attracted by giving you signs(btw if she is really attracted she will even start to go after you by her own). you cant buy the love of a woman who is not attracted to you by writing hernovels, making her presents and favors and saying yes to everything she says.

see to run after a women what it is: neediness and desperation because you have no other options. but women dont want to fuck with desperated guys who hardly have any options towards women. they want guys to who other women are attracted to, they want a challenge, they dont want man who is easy to have, because if he is easy to have by her own he will be also easy to have for other women. you should really read more about pu even if you think all is crap, you will be shocked how often you find your situation in the stories and examples. "the game" from neill strauss is a good beginning it is more like a novel and entertaining. not a guideline, easy to read.


" Also it's true that women are better off with a nice and caring man indeed, because he will not disappoint her after one day and run away with another. Deep inside all girls want stability instead of a player, because only in this stable environment they are able to create a family."

that sentence make logically sense and it should be like that, but sadly it isnt. women are evolutionary programmed to get the offspring from strong men. often they get the offspring and if they are not able to keep that strong man, than she is looking for a nicer one to support her and the kids. or she is already in a relationship with a nice guy and when getting bored she is looking for affairs. once a women even told me personally that she loves her nice boyfriends but that she is not happy with him in bed and asked me if i oculd fuck her hard, i didnt do her that favor because she wasnt my type. nice bf's and husbands are often too gentle and submissive during sex, what leads often that their women start to cheat on them. "strong" means attractive, high selfesteem, confident and sexual. blablabla...

[Bruno]

of course i talk with them, but i mostly lead interaction by asking them questions and let them talk blablabla.

"... and let them talk blablabla." OK, this proves again that you have no interest in what they have to say to you, because you ask them questions and don't need to hear their answers.
How can a man be loved by women if he doesn't listen? He can't. All he can do, is finding information from other sources on internet about how to use pick-up tricks to make them do what he wants. So you know perfectly well what they want to hear, but you don't really mean it. You are giving them an empty box which looks very promising on the outside, but in fact is useless for them. And this is the reason why many women don't trust men any more. They are tired of the players, tired of empty words and guys who only after them for sex and then leave and never call again. I can understand this very well.

yes, because real men are leaders who show the way and dont follow others like slaves.

But usually the men who like to be dominated in sex are high politicians, bank presidents and other people on high positions. I once saw an interview with a dominatrix woman and she confirmed that the majority of her clients were people who are in charge in some business or other job. The explanation was, that powerful people get tired to be in control all the time, and they can only relax when they give this power away. So apparently it can also be very enlightening to be in another position, they really enjoy this.

what you tell me are typical negative stories which pu taught. yes all girls with a healthy sex drive have a basic pattern. just about 20% are low sex drive chicks who love submissive men. individual each women is different by her experience, so to build up attraction they are all the same, to build up emotional comfort they are all different. hope you understand that.

No, I don't understand that. Different types of girls feel attracted to different types of guys, so they can't be all attracted by the same thing. Some girls like very expressive and active guys, other girls like more calm and thoughtful guys, and so they feel attracted to total different personalities. Pick-up tricks can never overrule this, because if a girl is not interested in you because you are not her type of man, you can not force her to like you by changing your behaviour.

you cant buy the love of a woman who is not attracted to you by writing hernovels, making her presents and favors and saying yes to everything she says.

Girls appreciate it when you do an effort for them, so indeed if you write a song or a poem and perform it, it can touch them emotionally. I know even some stories of girls who were not interested in a guy for YEARS, and for all this time the guy continued to chase her and finally they were together. So it's not true that you need to conquer her within seven hours or three dates and otherwise it's over like they say on the pick-up websites.

see to run after a women what it is: neediness and desperation because you have no other options. but women dont want to fuck with desperated guys who hardly have any options towards women. they want guys to who other women are attracted to, they want a challenge, they dont want man who is easy to have, because if he is easy to have by her own he will be also easy to have for other women. you should really read more about pu even if you think all is crap, you will be shocked how often you find your situation in the stories and examples. "the game" from neill strauss is a good beginning it is more like a novel and entertaining. not a guideline, easy to read.

I've read already enough about pick-up because you told me about it, and in order to understand it and reply to you, I had to learn first how it works and how people think who believe in it as a philosophy. Not everything is crap, but the idea behind it is that everything is allowed to get what you want, and I don't believe in this idea, because it will only lead to short-term results, and secondly, you have to become an egoist and eliminate your empathy to be able to deal with yourself. Also, the philosophy tells, that in order to make a date with one individual girl work, you have to be successfull with ALL women in general, which is impossible, because I already told you that all women are different and you can't make them all to like you. In my opinion, if you want to understand women, you have to talk WITH them, not with other guys ABOUT them. On the seduction website it's only guys who talk with each other about what is the key to seduce girls in general, but I'm not interested in "girls in general", I'm only interested in the special ones which I feel connected with, that's the difference. I know that this is a more individual approach, and that it takes more patience, but it works better than trying to be somebody that is different from my own personality.

You say also: "Women don't want this, women want that", but then again you see them as a group, not as individuals. It's like women who say that all the guys are the same because they like to watch football and drive fast cars. Guys are not all like this, and also girls can be very different, and so they all need different types of men. Girls who want to be picked up are often a certain type of girls, they dress in a certain way, and you see very quickly what their goal is. But for me, the shy girl who is sitting in the corner and is not dressed like a diva to look "irresistible" is much more interesting, because there is something to discover about her. The pick-up girls are just an open book, there's no fun in that. It's a bit cheap to do exactly what they expect you to do.

women are evolutionary programmed to get the offspring from strong men.

It's true, but usually the opposite happens, because she will get children with the faithful man who is ready to stay with her, and NOT with the guys who have a one night stand with her This can be explained, because people who have one night stands use condoms, and evolution didn't adjust their instincts which has developed from thousands of years to this new situation yet. And this is exactly the reason why people have to use their BRAINS instead of their instincts, because then they can make choices which are tuned to the situation of the present, not from the past. When women ask me why they attract the wrong men, this is also exactly what I tell them, and that their instinct sometimes is fooling them, in making them feel attracted by the guys that are the opposite of what they really want. And also, that they have to think more about questions like "Will this guy stay with me after tomorrow?", "Is he telling me the truth or just a lie to get me in bed?", and "If this guy is so popular with many other girls, what are the chances that he will be faithful to me and not walk away for the next pretty girl who comes along?". And often they tell me afterwards that I was right and that many players make them feel comfortable for their own pleasure, and that they have no interest at all in them as a person, only in the sex. This shows because they ask questions but don't listen to what they say (the blablabla thing you told me at the beginning of my post). Often girls are surprised that I remember things they told me long ago, because they probably are used to guys who don't listen and forget. They forget because they approach hundreds of different girls every month in order to have sex, but they are not interested in their personalities. Short-term results is what counts. But if you dig deeper and be more patient with a girl, it can be so much more enjoyable, that in most cases it was worth the wait.

often they get the offspring and if they are not able to keep that strong man, than she is looking for a nicer one to support her and the kids.

In that case, the "strong" man who leaves her is a loser. He is not strong at all, he is weak, because he wants only the good things with her, and runs away when he has to take responsibility for his family. What is "strong" about that? Strong means that you support your family and take responsibility, not running away from it. I also know a guy who is very popular and and had many different girlfriends, and with some of them kids. She got pregnant, and one year after the kids are born he runs away for a younger girl. And this happened multiple times.
On the other side you are right that if a man is taking care all the time only about the kids who are not his own, it's also wrong from HIS point of view. Because in fact, he is doing the hard work for the loser who doesn't want to take responsibility.

[Am0rIn0]

" I can understand this very well."

you dont understand. because you must differ from female conscious (emotional comfort) and their subconscious (attraction). even most females dont understand themself how they feel attracted or not. look the subconscious wants alpha males due to her physical and mental strenght.

"And this is the reason why many women don't trust men any more"

bullshit, if she feels attracted she will give you a chance, if she tells you she needs more time, lets be friends, it is too fast, blablabla it simply means she likes you but isnt attracted to you. pu gives you the tools to create that missing attraction.

"But usually the men who like to be dominated in sex are high politicians, bank presidents and other people on high positions. I once saw an interview with a dominatrix woman and she confirmed that the majority of her clients were people who are in charge in some business or other job. The explanation was, that powerful people get tired to be in control all the time, and they can only relax when they give this power away. So apparently it can also be very enlightening to be in another position, they really enjoy this."

of course, but here we only speak about a minority 5% of men who are in leading positions.


"No, I don't understand that. Different types of girls feel attracted to different types of guys, so they can't be all attracted by the same thing"

simply wrong for attraction, but of course some calibration is neccessary. a hot babe 9/10 can stand more negs and teasing than a 6/10 of course. also it depemds on your looks and selfesteem, if you have the selfesteem/charisma of a rock star they often get attracted only by your body language.


"because if a girl is not interested in you because you are not her type of man, you can not force her to like you by changing your behaviour. "

in some extremes this is right. for example she is gothic chick with tats and piercings and you are the kind of guy who wear suits. but generally and high selfesteem alpha is the type of man every women is attracted to.


"Not everything is crap, but the idea behind it is that everything is allowed to get what you want, and I don't believe in this idea, because it will only lead to short-term results, and secondly"

see it that way: did you ever love a girl but she was not attracted to you? i bet every normal guy had this situation at least once in his life. sooner or later that girl you love will get fucked by another one. so it is simple: if you dont manage to fuck her another one will fuck her sooner or later. pu gives you the tools to get her. if you do it to keep a girl into releationship because you love/like her or dump her after has nothing to do with pu. this is a personal decision. pu is just a tool, the responsibility lies in the hands of the user. with a screwdriver you can fasten a screw but you can also injure somebody with it!


"become an egoist and eliminate your empathy"
hmmm can happen but depends on yourself.


"you have to be successfull with ALL women in general, which is impossible, because I already told you that all women are different and you can't make them all to like you"

thats why you should let them talk during a date by leading interaction and asking them questions and find some commons and never talk too much about yourself. than if you feel she is from mentality too different from you you must be fast too lay her same day. it works, and most important: never ever boast, be humble. women love that!



"if you want to understand women, you have to talk WITH them, not with other guys ABOUT them"
very very wrong. on these sites are also sometimes girls who are interested in this topic and confirm pu.



"I'm only interested in the special ones which I feel connected with, that's the difference"

great that you already have the emotional comfort, now you just need the attraction and she is yours otherise another one will fuck her sooner or later.



"but it works better than trying to be somebody that is different from my own personality."
never paly a different role! that would make you completely fake and women feel that! the tools are just to be more physical (touching kissing), challeging by teasing (negs), flirting (push&pull) and most important patience (unneediness, freezes). it is not about changing personality.



"Girls appreciate it when you do an effort for them, so indeed if you write a song or a poem and perform it, it can touch them emotionally. I know even some stories of girls who were not interested in a guy for YEARS, and for all this time the guy continued to chase her and finally they were together. So it's not true that you need to conquer her within seven hours or three dates and otherwise it's over like they say on the pick-up websites. "

there is a very fine line between showing her that you want her and running after her kissing her ass. trust me most nice guys destroy their chances with that. these who were successful in the end over the years did accidently use some pu tools without knowing it. maybe they freezed her for a period which built up attraction. all the heart melting stories you hear are basically because that guy acidently built up attraction with a pu tool. as long you dont understand that and believe in destiny your whole sex life will depend on coincidences (beeing successful when you accidently use pu tools without knowing it). pu is not something a few desperated guys invented theoretical out of the blue. if you want to read an interesting book about pu generally i can recommend "the game" by neil strauss. it covers everything from beginning, development of pu, positive aspects but also negative aspects of pu.

simple negative example about doing effort for them: next time you meet a girl and date her, simply send her 10 sms or emails per day. send her roses and poems per mail. trust me she will not answer your phone calls anymore and will try to avoid you soon. if she is in you social circle she will tell that she simply has no time. stalking is just an extreme way to run after a woman you are attracted in: it shows to a women that you are needy and desperated.


"Women don't want this, women want that", but then again you see them as a group, not as individuals."
their subconscious want the same. their conscious want different things. i wrote that already many times, how often shall i repeat this?! did you get it now??



"This can be explained, because people who have one night stands use condoms, and evolution didn't adjust their instincts which has developed from thousands of years to this new situation yet."
"When women ask me why they attract the wrong men, this is also exactly what I tell them, and that their instinct sometimes is fooling them, in making them feel attracted by the guys that are the opposite of what they really want. "

good points, but actualy it is opposite, these girls get attracted by the wrong men. alwas keep one thing in mind: the female select their partners!

in bad ass behaviour their subconcious sadly sees often strenght and feel attracted. in history when you had small groups it made sense, but in modern mass societies actually the female selective program doesnt work that good anymore, thats why they get frustrated.

"that their instinct sometimes is fooling them, in making them feel attracted by the guys that are the opposite of what they really want"
ah ok here this is right. you see subconscious (instincts, feelings) vs conscious (what they want?). but now comes the question, what do they really want? that what their instincs say? or what their conscious say? this is the big question, thats why i say women dont really know what they want. the problem is you cant change their instincts, it would be similiar to train somebody to live without breathing.


"What is "strong" about that?"

of course nothing. but it is a matter of definition, evolutionary strong would be as a men to create as much offspring as possible with as many women as possible. but even a single mother will sooner or later get somebody who supports her, there are so many desperated guys who would be happy to be together with a woman even if she has kids from another one.

[Bruno]

you dont understand. because you must differ from female conscious (emotional comfort) and their subconscious (attraction).

Well, if I understand them and also women tell me that I understand them, who are you to tell me that I don’t understand them?
It shows that you live in a different reality, or as the pick-up community calls it, the “hidden reality” which of course is bull-shit and doesn’t exist.

look the subconscious wants alpha males due to her physical and mental strenght.

I know a lot of women who are clearly sick of so-called alpha male behaviour, not only consciously but also unconsciously, because of their bad experiences with players. Also, I don’t agree with you that those guys are mentally stronger, because they can not withstand their instincts, they just act like their gut feelings tell them to act, and can not go against it. This is mental weakness, not strength. If you are horny like hell, and you meet a pretty girl, it’s mentally weak if you only think about fucking her, instead of approaching her like a person and keep your instincts in control.

pu gives you the tools to create that missing attraction.

Again you say that you can impose attraction on others, that you as a man must control her feelings, and this is typical dominant player talk. Attraction must come from both sides and must come naturally. If not, it is called manipulation of women, and women hate this. Attraction is not a tool, because it happens between two people, and so it only works if both people feel attracted in the first place.

a hot babe 9/10 can stand more negs and teasing than a 6/10 of course. also it depemds on your looks and selfesteem, if you have the selfesteem/charisma of a rock star they often get attracted only by your body language.

And who decides who is 9/10 and who is 6/10? Maybe I feel much more attracted to the girl who is in your eyes 6/10 and the 9/10 leaves me stone cold. Or do you believe there is something like “absolute beauty” which causes attraction to all men? I don’t believe in it. Everybody has their own different priorities about what (s)he finds attractive in another person, this is not a static fact.

A lot of women don’t like rock stars at all, and even if they attract a lot of girls, I wouldn’t want to be a rock star, simply because I don’t like their music and style of egocentric arrogance that they often have.

in some extremes this is right. for example she is gothic chick with tats and piercings and you are the kind of guy who wear suits.

It’s not extreme, it is the normal situation that it takes two people to create attraction.
It is not the man only who decides that he will “make” the girl feel attracted to him. He can only manipulate and force her, which is disrespecting the autonomy of the girl as an individual who must make her own decisions.

see it that way: did you ever love a girl but she was not attracted to you? i bet every normal guy had this situation at least once in his life. sooner or later that girl you love will get fucked by another one. so it is simple: if you dont manage to fuck her another one will fuck her sooner or later. pu gives you the tools to get her. if you do it to keep a girl into releationship because you love/like her or dump her after has nothing to do with pu. this is a personal decision. pu is just a tool, the responsibility lies in the hands of the user. with a screwdriver you can fasten a screw but you can also injure somebody with it!

There are no tools that a man can “use” to create attraction, it must come from both sides. Many men wished that there were tools to “get” a woman like you say, but there aren’t any. There are only tools to improve yourself, not to attract women who don’t feel attracted to you. If your goal is to fuck her even if she refused you, it is called rape. “Tools to fuck her” are tools to get her into your room in order to rape her, which is a crime.

“Keep her or dump her”, another statement that indicates, that it’s you and ONLY you who decides what you will do with her, she has nothing to say about it. Man, you are one of the worst type of men that a girl can meet, especially if they are insecure or vulnerable for these things. Relationships are between two people, you can not decide from only your point of view what you "will get her”. Please stop abusing girls and visit a prostitute, it is much better for everybody, because the rules of the game are clear for everybody there. You pay money, she gives sex, easy like you want it. And no hearts will be broken.

than if you feel she is from mentality too different from you you must be fast too lay her same day.

If she is too different from you and you feel that it’s not going to work, you are going to fuck her anyways against her will???
Then you are just an egocentric rapist of the worst kind, disrespectful asshole who rapes women and is proud of it. Same on you!

very very wrong. on these sites are also sometimes girls who are interested in this topic and confirm pu.

Yes, I saw that. Those girls are the ones that you never want end up with on a night out, because you know that they are going to play with your balls. They are just the female version of players. Sometimes I talked with them out of curiosity, and to know how they work. They pretend to be interested, but you can see in their eyes that they just want to get laid. They ask questions like “are you gay?” just to see how you react, not because they seriously are wondering. If you reject them, you can expect some kind of “revenge”, because they think, just like Amorino, that they can control other people’s feelings and ignite attraction from one side. If you want to take more time, they become angry and try to dump you in a mean way, sometimes even spreading lies like telling your best friend that you had sex with his girlfriend. That's why player's behaviour is all about power play and manipulation, making people feel bad and punishing them for making their own decisions. Ego-centrism and disrespect rule the world of players, so it's better to stay away from it.

great that you already have the emotional comfort, now you just need the attraction and she is yours otherise another one will fuck her sooner or later.

If she doesn’t feel attracted, she can indeed better find another guy who she feels attracted to then. Why would I want to fuck girls that don’t feel attracted to me? I’m not a rapist.

there is a very fine line between showing her that you want her and running after her kissing her ass. trust me most nice guys destroy their chances with that. these who were successful in the end over the years did accidently use some pu tools without knowing it. maybe they freezed her for a period which built up attraction. all the heart melting stories you hear are basically because that guy acidently built up attraction with a pu tool. as long you dont understand that and believe in destiny your whole sex life will depend on coincidences (beeing successful when you accidently use pu tools without knowing it). pu is not something a few desperated guys invented theoretical out of the blue. if you want to read an interesting book about pu generally i can recommend "the game" by neil strauss. it covers everything from beginning, development of pu, positive aspects but also negative aspects of pu.

“Accidentally use pick-up tools without knowing it”, yeah right. You can not accidentally use a hammer and accidentally beat something with it, this is bull-shit. This book you are talking about, “The Game”, says it all. Some people see it as a game, and many girls don’t want to play games. And the ones who want it, they are usually the bitches who play with your balls, the female version of players. This is why I can understand women who deal with players and who are sick of them, because I know how these “games” work, and have the same views about it. It is about using people, manipulation, and pretending to be interested in their personality when in fact they just want to fuck something.

simple negative example about doing effort for them: next time you meet a girl and date her, simply send her 10 sms or emails per day. send her roses and poems per mail. trust me she will not answer your phone calls anymore and will try to avoid you soon. if she is in you social circle she will tell that she simply has no time. stalking is just an extreme way to run after a woman you are attracted in: it shows to a women that you are needy and desperated.

Stalking is another extreme example, do you really only believe in black and white examples like that?
Of course it’s silly to bombard people with attention, nobody likes that.
If you love a person, it's logical that you don't want to stalk her. You will have the patience to give her time, and the trust that she will get back to you if she really likes you.

their subconscious want the same. their conscious want different things. i wrote that already many times, how often shall i repeat this?! did you get it now??

If ALL the women in the world only want alpha males in the end like you say, then why don’t we have the majority of men in the world being alone, and a small group of “leaders” who have hundreds or thousands of wives? So this is really not true. It’s the same as saying, that all the men want submissive girls, this is also not true. Some men simply love to be dominated, and some girls want to take the lead, simply because EVERYBODY on this world is different. You can not say that all the women in the world have the same subconscious desires, because this is clearly not true. Why else would there be feminist groups, who want to lead over men? Do you think those women are psychological ill?

alwas keep one thing in mind: the female select their partners!

You are contradicting yourself now, because you always said that with the right tools, you can get any woman you want, and this is exactly the opposite of women selecting their partners.
But both is not true, because people select each other. again I say: Attraction comes from two ways, not only from one person to another!

ah ok here this is right. you see subconscious (instincts, feelings) vs conscious (what they want?). but now comes the question, what do they really want? that what their instincs say? or what their conscious say? this is the big question, thats why i say women dont really know what they want. the problem is you cant change their instincts, it would be similiar to train somebody to live without breathing.

If you want to know what they want, you should ask them. But I know already that you will not do that, because you think that they will tell you the opposite of what they want. It’s just a bad excuse for you to rape them, because then afterwards if they call the police, you can say that they wanted it, even if they told you that they didn’t. That’s the only reason why some men want to believe that women want the opposite of what they say.
What they consciously want is of course the only thing that counts, because it is the result of thinking. Instincts are just random thoughts, you can not take them seriously. If you see a gorgeous hot girl on the street and you only listen to your alpha male instincts, you should jump her, rip her clothes off, and rape her. If you see a rich guy driving a Ferrari and you want this car too, your instincts will tell you to kill him and take the car, so this is why instincts are not the leading reason for people’s behaviour, otherwise the world would be one big egocentric mess. Logical thinking must always be valued higher than people’s instincts. If the police catches you for rape, you can not tell to the judge: “But I did nothing wrong, I was only following my instincts!”. The judge will not say: “OK then, you can leave, your instincts are of course more important than your logical thinking.” These examples show, that your instincts can never be placed above logical thinking.

evolutionary strong would be as a men to create as much offspring as possible with as many women as possible

Last week I read a scientific article that exactly says the opposite, namely that MOST men want to keep one partner instead of as many as possible, so this is a lie. Look around you, how many men have harems like apes? Almost nobody, except some primitive tribes in Africa who live like that because of old traditional values, and who totally ignore the equality of women like we have in the modern world.

[Am0rIn0]

welcome back bruno, missed you too.

to keep it short as your statements get more and more fanatic and agressive, using bad words like rape.... puh bruno you are a hopeless and naive guy who will hardly get laid. maybe with a bit luck someday you will get a desperated 5/10 as wife who crossed her 30's and who is tired of getting fooled and fucked by all those guys who can afford to play, who knows? if this is what will make you happy i wish you all the best.

to give you an example of my scale with somebody you visibly know, my dear friend gina gerson is a 9/10 in my eyes. moreover she is very strong minded, self confident, funny and great in bed in front and behind the camera. i like her a lot and hope she will show me st. petersburg when i will go overthere.

[Bruno]

to give you an example of my scale with somebody you visibly know, my dear friend gina gerson is a 9/10 in my eyes. moreover she is very strong minded, self confident, funny and great in bed in front and behind the camera. i like her a lot and hope she will show me st. petersburg when i will go overthere.

I wish you a lot of fun in St. Petersburg, although you will not find Gina there, unfortunately. She is working on Ibiza at the moment, so sorry to disappoint you.
But maybe there will be a nice and friendly Russian babushka who will show you the way.

[Bruno]

using bad words like rape....

You always say that you are so proud to be the bad guy, so it's only logical to describe bad guys with bad words, that speaks for itself.
Or do you expect me to be sweet and tender with you? I'm sure you are used to the way people approach you, based on your egocentric behaviour and morals.
People get always back at them what they give to others, so it's only a mirror of your own personality.