Euro 2008 - the one about football in Austria & Switzerl

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debate the game here ...

Official homepage of the Euro 2008
http://www.euro2008.uefa.com/index.html

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http://www.eurobabeindex.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47768#47768

the first goal was 100% correct. Strange that the Italian coach does not know the rules of the game Rolling Eyes

Yep following the FIFA/IFAB rules, Van Nistelrooy wasn't in an offside position because Italian defender Panucci was past the goal line (and stay in play) and Buffon became the last defender.

But this Italian was pushed past the goal line in a previous play action by Buffon so it's was not voluntarily and Panucci is no more in the game.

So Van Nistelrooy is offside.

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But this Italian was pushed past the goal line in a previous play action by Buffon so it's was not voluntarily and Panucci is no more in the game.

So Van Nistelrooy is offside.

Doesn´t matter that Panucci was pushed by his goalie or by whomever.
The rule is clear: He was still in the game.
That was discussed lengthy in German TV and two former German FIFA referee´s confirmed that the goal was 100% regular.

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Doesn´t matter that Panucci was pushed by his goalie or by whomever.
The rule is clear: He was still in the game.
That was discussed lengthy in German TV and two former German FIFA referee´s confirmed that the goal was 100% regular.

Look at the goal:
http://www.dailymotion.com/commented-today/video/x5q1kc_nistelrooy-but-vs-italie_sport

Pannuci is CLEARLY pushed by Buffon outside the football pitch.
And the rule precises there is NO offside if a defender goes voluntarily past the goal line to put offside the attacker and so the defender in this case stays in game.

But in this match, Panucci is pushed by Buffon, stays down and seems to be injuried (leg). So it's unvoluntary and Panucci is out the game.

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So, this two former FIFA referee´s from Germany do not know the rules of the game? Strange

But even better:
UEFA supports Dutch goal decision

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Doesn´t matter that Panucci was pushed by his goalie or by whomever.
The rule is clear: He was still in the game.
That was discussed lengthy in German TV and two former German FIFA referee´s confirmed that the goal was 100% regular.

Look at the goal:
http://www.dailymotion.com/commented-today/video/x5q1kc_nistelrooy-but-vs-italie_sport

Pannuci is CLEARLY pushed by Buffon outside the football pitch.
And the rule precises there is NO offside if a defender goes voluntarily past the goal line to put offside the attacker and so the defender in this case stays in game.

But in this match, Panucci is pushed by Buffon, stays down and seems to be injuried (leg). So it's unvoluntary and Panucci is out the game.

Maybe it's a difference if the player is pushed by someone from the own team or by someone from the other team. Buffon pushed Panucci, no player from the Netherlands.

And regardless of this, the Netherlands were so much better in the first half that this vicorty is very, very deserved.

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crystal clear decision within the rules

UEFA has emphasised that the goal scored by Netherlands striker Ruud van Nistelrooy in last night's UEFA EURO 2008™ match against Italy in Berne was valid, and that referee Peter Fröjdfeldt acted correctly in awarding it.

Not offside
UEFA General Secretary David Taylor was reacting to claims from some quarters that Van Nistelrooy was standing in an offside position when he scored the first of the Netherlands' goals in their 3-0 win. "I would like to take the opportunity to explain and emphasise that the goal was correctly awarded by the referee team," he said. "I think there's a lack of understanding among the general football public, and I think it's understandable because this was an unusual situation. The player was not offside, because, in addition to the Italian goalkeeper, there was another Italian player in front of the goalscorer. Even though that other Italian player at the time had actually fallen off the pitch, his position was still relevant for the purposes of the offside law."

Still involved
The starting point, said Mr Taylor, is the Laws of the Game – Law 11 – which deal with offside, whereby a player is in an offside position if he is nearer to his opponents' goalline than both the ball and the second-last opponent. "There need to be two defenders involved," the UEFA General Secretary said. "If you think back to the situation, the first is the goalkeeper, and the second is the defender who, because of his momentum, actually had left the field of play. But this defender was still deemed to be part of the game. Therefore he is taken into consideration as one of the last two opponents. As a result, Ruud van Nistelrooy was not nearer to the opponents' goal than the second-last defender and, therefore, could not be in an offside position.

Rare incident
"This is a widely-known interpretation of the offside law among referees that is not generally known by the wider football public," he continued. "Incidents like this are very unusual – although I'm informed that there was an incident like this about a month ago in a Swiss Super League match between FC Sion and FC Basel 1893. [It was] initially suggested that this [goal] was a mistake by the referee in terms of the offside law – the commentator later apologised publicly, as he didn't realise that this was the correct application of the law."

Law applied
Mr Taylor concluded: "So let's be clear – the referees' team applied the law in the correct manner. If we did not have this interpretation of the player being off the pitch then what could happen is that the defending team could use the tactic of stepping off the pitch deliberately to play players offside, and that clearly is unacceptable. The most simple and practical interpretation of the law in this instance is the one that is adopted by referees throughout the world – that is that unless you have permission from the referee to be off the pitch, you are deemed to be on it and deemed to be part of the game. That is why the Italian defender, even though his momentum had taken him off the pitch, was still deemed to be part of the game, and therefore the attacking player put the ball into the net, and it was a valid goal. The law in this place was applied absolutely correctly."

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But in this match, Panucci is pushed by Buffon, stays down and seems to be injuried (leg). So it's unvoluntary and Panucci is out the game.

Not the case

Law applied
Mr Taylor concluded: "So let's be clear – the referees' team applied the law in the correct manner. If we did not have this interpretation of the player being off the pitch then what could happen is that the defending team could use the tactic of stepping off the pitch deliberately to play players offside, and that clearly is unacceptable. The most simple and practical interpretation of the law in this instance is the one that is adopted by referees throughout the world – that is that unless you have permission from the referee to be off the pitch, you are deemed to be on it and deemed to be part of the game. That is why the Italian defender, even though his momentum had taken him off the pitch, was still deemed to be part of the game, and therefore the attacking player put the ball into the net, and it was a valid goal. The law in this place was applied absolutely correctly."

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And regardless of this, the Netherlands were so much better in the first half that this vicorty is very, very deserved.

The more one of our German friends is writing it, and you know Holland are not the most popular team in Germany at all.
Yesterdays comments on German TV were all in favour about the Dutch performance. Maybe they profit from three players from Hamburger SV

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Maybe the Italian guy played the comedy as offen with Italian team.

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Imagine how much I care about the national team. But to be honest, everyone has admited the defeat and praised Van Basten & co.

On the ruling, FIFA and UEFA are only justifying the ref's call, because it's so controversial and they're constantly quoting a rule that only exists to avoid cheating. But it's not SO CLEAR that the rule applies to this case, since there were TWO MORE passes after Panucci collided with Buffon.

The referee has said that a player has to "ask for the ref's permission to leave the pitch", which is a joke. How many times we've seen a player laying injured behind the goal line? Thousands of times. Has it ever mattered? Obviously the referee considered that Panucci was still taking part to the action, which is not so clear (people around the world are still debating it).

By the way, Buffon openly said that off-side or not, they lost the game while Ruud van Nistelrooy admited the off-side.

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The Netherlands dominated the game vs Italy takin' a well deserved victory...
And off-side or not, given how poorly the Italian team played, i don't think it would have changed much...

I'm sorry for Russia but i also liked a lot how Spain has played today.
We'll have to see how their defence will fare against some better teams
but their midfield and offence are really top class.


Looking after Czech Republic - Portugal tomorrow
If the Czechs try to play some more football than in the opening game it can be a good match.

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Reply to "Did anyone miss England and their violent fans?"

Stereotypical comment from someone out of touch!! When was the last time that there was any trouble from English fans in comparison to the violence that is typical from fans of Russia, Germany, etc

The last time Mr Average Englishman was being violent in Europe was when we were trying to get it back between 1939 and 1945. Every country has its share of individuals who go to games intent on trouble. However, at least we still have border controls and the need for a passport before we can travel to Europe meaning we can and do take away the passports of known troublemakers stopping them from going to such matches. That is why we no longer cause any trouble.

Shame this topic was restarted outside of the original one about Eurovision. In the end, both competitions are roughly about as fair and as pointless. 95% of the UK's population is more than happy that we failed to qualify, which is ironic given that our premier league practically is Euro 2008 on a weekly basis.

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Bye bye Swiss Team !

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That rule about off-side, what does it say again ?

For god's sake, they spent two days analizing an episode like it's rocket science, and yesterday and today they couldn't see the obvious.