Angelina Crow

[dap-addict]

now the agents have producers, and get them models for more lesser money, and don't tell the girls everything about jobs. My last experience: in the last moment clear up I have to work 4 scene for 1 prise.. ,and when I was the set clear up I have to do 100% anal in the scene, or I have to eat sperm, etc, and I have choose I do it or I go home. Because the nice agent don't tell me what I HAVE TO DO in the job, it's not option for more money like before...

If that is the professionalism of those new agents generation than girls better organize it all themselves!
I just dont why a new generation agent wouldnt want to get a higher fee for cum-swallowing etc.?! Arnt they payed a percentage of your fee anymore, Angie?
Doing four scenes for the price of one is a business suicide. Just pute (self) exploitation! Porn and financial crisis may ask contributions from everybody to keep the thing working, but certainly not to that extent!

[Angelina Crow]

Angie, lets forget about agent(s) for a while and better turn to the way you made your fans love you:
No need actually to remeber orgasms from 5 years ago - - just tell us, how do you manage to loose yourself so often completely on set?
Of course you played a lot, but some parts of joy are not possible to just play...
And: is there any new sex practice learned on porn sets you didnt enjoy in private before entering porn, but you really enjoyed on set later?

I did enjoy the sex before I started modeling. Just analsex was new for me. I did never try it before. And for me was easier to do it in shooting, I don't know why. I did try to enjoy the work as far as possible, because I think of you, who will watch it When I worked I changed me to Angelina, who loves to do a lot of dirty things

[Ricardo Soli]

So, pls don't tell me what i have to do,until i don't ask you, eventually forget to read my posts in the future. I respect the rules of this forum, i'm 43 y.old since 12y. in the biz. and you're not my papa.

For sure not, I know.
And I know how much I owe you, Ricardo.
But it is the girls doing a good job on set, not you. And basically it could all work without agents. Girls just give agents a job in order to have more time to work on set and enjoy life. [b]But without the girls even the best agent has nothing to earn his money with![/b]
And finally especially in this biz it would be easier to seperate personal and professional life - 100% I mean.

You think so?
Do you think the girls decide at 18 y. to go fuck in movies by themselve? Nooo.They would love all to become fashionmodels...not pornstars. we spend a lot of time&money until a girl start to trust in as, sometime we give them clothes to can show up on a shooting, we're using our contacts, to make them interresting to others, we make invoices to the productions about theyre money they get for fuck , we pay taxes, cuz no one can give an invoice, we're fighting with musculous jealous bimbos cuz of them. Later, when they're famous, forgot everything, they think they was born to be superstars, and they're trying to control the agents, to tell them as you, what & how to do, etc.
Let give you an example, not Angelina:
Madison Parker was only 17 when i've found her. I had to convince her parents to let her doing this work instead to drink & rest in afterparty places every night. The 1.year she worked only throught me. Becoming famous, all the other agents jumped on her, today she didn't showed up for a single work for 21 sextury. Why? Cuz she was at party all night long, she had to sleep after. But if she will have a drugproblem, her parents will call me, not the other agents to ask about. So i'm sorry, but i'm sure without agents no one from the new generation will become an Anita Blond, Dark or whatever pornstar. Only fakestars for 3 days.

[paroxysmia]

So Angelina is a type of clothes?

[Angelina Crow]

If that is the professionalism of those new agents generation than girls better organize it all themselves!
I just dont why a new generation agent wouldnt want to get a higher fee for cum-swallowing etc.?! Arnt they payed a percentage of your fee anymore, Angie?
Doing four scenes for the price of one is a business suicide. Just pute (self) exploitation! Porn and financial crisis may ask contributions from everybody to keep the thing working, but certainly not to that extent!

Those are not new agents, it's just a new mentality, look the girls for stupid, have work done for even lesser money. But it's true for other jobs, nobody like to pay, but I think better pay for a good job....
I heard I work for very high money... "Becomed independent,with enormous fees" - from x-clusive web. But it's not true, lately I get just a little bit more like when I started, and I think is not fair after 5 years, and it's not much!

[ze_dude33]

I don't care about the problems inside the porn business,i want to see Angelina's Gaping & spreading asshole again and again,that is sooo beautiful !

[Angelina Crow]

I don't care about the problems inside the porn business,i want to see Angelina's Gaping & spreading asshole again and again,that is sooo beautiful !

[dap-addict]

Those are not new agents, it's just a new mentality, look the girls for stupid, have work done for even lesser money. But it's true for other jobs, nobody like to pay, but I think better pay for a good job....

I am still confused, Angie: As for the fees you and the agent should share the same interest, no? Becasue 30% of 400 Euro ist just less than getting 30% of 800 Euro! Or are those "new" mentality agents payed per month by the producers?

As for getting a decent fee after 5 years, I`d gladly pay 50% more for your dvd and online scenes to give you fair money for your excellent performances.
And if money would become a problem I could safe that on rookies too obviousely pretending to enjoy it on set.
...and in the deepest finacial crisis I would just spend money on girls able to gape as wonderful as you, Angelina, i.e. nobody else!

[Angelina Crow]

I am still confused, Angie: As for the fees you and the agent should share the same interest, no? Becasue 30% of 400 Euro ist just less than getting 30% of 800 Euro! Or are those "new" mentality agents payed per month by the producers?

As for getting a decent fee after 5 years, I`d gladly pay 50% more for your dvd and online scenes to give you fair money for your excellent performances.
And if money would become a problem I could safe that on rookies too obviousely pretending to enjoy it on set.
...and in the deepest finacial crisis I would just spend money on girls able to gape as wonderful as you, Angelina, i.e. nobody else!

You see right. I don't know what happening between agents and producers..
My big problem it's not just a money, but as they speak with me (agents and producers), I can't label that.
So after all x-clusive was my best agency

[dap-addict]

just tell us, how do you manage to loose yourself so often completely on set?
Of course you played a lot, but some parts of joy are not possible to just play...
And: is there any new sex practice learned on porn sets you didnt enjoy in private before entering porn, but you really enjoyed on set later?

I did enjoy the sex before I started modeling. Just analsex was new for me. I did never try it before. And for me was easier to do it in shooting, I don't know why. I did try to enjoy the work as far as possible, because I think of you, who will watch it When I worked I changed me to Angelina, who loves to do a lot of dirty things

Thank you a lot for this sincere answers, Angie!
If I ever doubted about the Budapest biz, I know it now: They introduced Angie to anal sex and registered that for us!
As far as enjoying your work, it doesnt look it was hard for you on most sets. But thinking of us porn fans of course is a very nice thing. I hope you truely felt that appreation coming back from us!
You wrote in an earlier post you didnt plan any further daps. Does that mean that despite their high popularity and performers like Erik Everhard you really seemed into at the times, you didnt manage to enjoy it on set? Why? Or do/did you just mind the much longer shooting time compared to simple anal?

[camaban]

I'm really afraid about the future of the porn business. If girls like Angelina, who did top performances for many years now, are not paid properly for their work, then it's obvious that doing porn isn't as attractive for young girls as it was a few years before. Where will this end?

And dap-addict, I don't think that the financial crisis is the big problem, it's that too many comsumers didn't pay for porn anymore. Instead they download it fore free over the net. So the producers make less money and therefore they invest less money for new productions. ...

To Angelina: Have you thought about going to America? Hungarians didn't need visas anymore from November 15th on. There's many regulations in 2257 who can work under which conditions in the US, but agents like Mark Spiegler maybe have a few tricks to bypass it.

By the way: I love your avatar. I never can get enough of watching your hot butt

[Ricardo Soli]

I'm really afraid about the future of the porn business. If girls like Angelina, who did top performances for many years now, are not paid properly for their work, then it's obvious that doing porn isn't as attractive for young girls as it was a few years before. Where will this end?

And dap-addict, I don't think that the financial crisis is the big problem, it's that too many comsumers didn't pay for porn anymore. Instead they download it fore free over the net. So the producers make less money and therefore they invest less money for new productions. ...

To Angelina: Have you thought about going to America? Hungarians didn't need visas anymore from November 15th on. There's many regulations in 2257 who can work under which conditions in the US, but agents like Mark Spiegler maybe have a few tricks to bypass it.

By the way: I love your avatar. I never can get enough of watching your hot butt

I know you're asking Angelina, but let me share my opinion about.
The biggest productions, are asking from as old agencies to pay them our fees in case if the model didn't show up, the deduct from our fees if the model doesn't show up with natural clean nails, if she's not with fresh washed hair, if she doesn't have enough clothes, if she's not in time at the shooting, etc. I agree, but udually they don't have problems with me. They've decided to do like this cuz of the "no rules" situation generated by them, starting every day a new agent (wich was working as driver, assistant, or location manager to them before), only to can make economies on fees, "stealing" convincing the models to work independent, or with the new agent of them.... Doesn't exist anymore agents can educate the models how they have to work in this biz. No rules. Like this doesn't exist motivation for no one to work. Why i have to convince nice , inteligent girls to do this job, if i know i'm working to be soon or later a looser, making money for others wich doesn't do nothing, only they convince the models to left the agent, to listen from that time to them. 7-8 y ago we were 3-4 big agencies in Budapest. We had fights also, but we could threat this things, and to take care about our biz. I a producer started to convince a model to work independent, we all stop to work with him anymore. Now, we are minimum 15 agents for the same amount of work with let's say 3 times more girls than before. Less future movies wich need big work indeed like castles, factories, hospitals, big studios, cuz everybody's doing gonzo in a hotelroom or small appartment. Like this the big agencies doesn't need to organise this locations-less ag fees.We're in the EU comunity, so we have to work legal, to pay taxes. And to cover sometime the models fees too.So we're getting 10% of what we were getting 8 y.ago for the same work we do. The models doesn't care, only about theyre money, and to be trated as pornstars immediately after the 1.anal scene they do. The companies also. They better need a pimp wich is holding the model at the work, waiting to finish and bringing her in a nightclub or at an escortwork, instead of reliable companies working for money, giving a business education to this beginners in the BIG LIFE how they are at 18 finishing the school, becoming adults. With the models i had long time ago i could simply organise 30 girls+ 100 figurants in case for a "Gladiator" , 15-20 actors every month for a Woodman movie somewhere in the tropics, today i cannot assume my responsability, and organise more than 5 models for the same level movie, even if i have triple more models for casting....This is why Woodman, and others wich were big doesn't want to work anymore, not only cuz of the financial degree....
About working in U.S., yes it is a good opportunity for models like Angelina Crow, or other reliable pro workers, but i'm not sure can be a promise, cuz of the 2257, and i feel it will be an enormous imigration of east european models wich will make a big problem for everybody again. I'm affraid the imigration officers will wait at the airport border the models with pornmagazines in theyre hands, and hopefully this will not risque the "no more visa for U.S." situation for others waiting to go there as turists. Like this will be verry big problems in our country....

[dap-addict]

Thanks a lot for this insight, Ricardo!
For no means I didnt want to dimish your role as an agent above, btw. I`m sorry if it sounded like that.
I just wished to put the girls in the centre because they may create a lot of problems for you as an agent sometimes, but without them nothing works, even if they only want to become fashion models.

Btw, I really like gonzo, but I am just also a fan of those old CC and Rocco settings. I`ve not been aware of how important also finalcially it was for the agents.

[camaban]

I'm really afraid about the future of the porn business. If girls like Angelina, who did top performances for many years now, are not paid properly for their work, then it's obvious that doing porn isn't as attractive for young girls as it was a few years before. Where will this end?

And dap-addict, I don't think that the financial crisis is the big problem, it's that too many comsumers didn't pay for porn anymore. Instead they download it fore free over the net. So the producers make less money and therefore they invest less money for new productions. ...

To Angelina: Have you thought about going to America? Hungarians didn't need visas anymore from November 15th on. There's many regulations in 2257 who can work under which conditions in the US, but agents like Mark Spiegler maybe have a few tricks to bypass it.

By the way: I love your avatar. I never can get enough of watching your hot butt

I know you're asking Angelina, but let me share my opinion about.
The biggest productions, are asking from as old agencies to pay them our fees in case if the model didn't show up, the deduct from our fees if the model doesn't show up with natural clean nails, if she's not with fresh washed hair, if she doesn't have enough clothes, if she's not in time at the shooting, etc. I agree, but udually they don't have problems with me. They've decided to do like this cuz of the "no rules" situation generated by them, starting every day a new agent (wich was working as driver, assistant, or location manager to them before), only to can make economies on fees, "stealing" convincing the models to work independent, or with the new agent of them.... Doesn't exist anymore agents can educate the models how they have to work in this biz. No rules. Like this doesn't exist motivation for no one to work. Why i have to convince nice , inteligent girls to do this job, if i know i'm working to be soon or later a looser, making money for others wich doesn't do nothing, only they convince the models to left the agent, to listen from that time to them. 7-8 y ago we were 3-4 big agencies in Budapest. We had fights also, but we could threat this things, and to take care about our biz. I a producer started to convince a model to work independent, we all stop to work with him anymore. Now, we are minimum 15 agents for the same amount of work with let's say 3 times more girls than before. Less future movies wich need big work indeed like castles, factories, hospitals, big studios, cuz everybody's doing gonzo in a hotelroom or small appartment. Like this the big agencies doesn't need to organise this locations-less ag fees.We're in the EU comunity, so we have to work legal, to pay taxes. And to cover sometime the models fees too.So we're getting 10% of what we were getting 8 y.ago for the same work we do. The models doesn't care, only about theyre money, and to be trated as pornstars immediately after the 1.anal scene they do. The companies also. They better need a pimp wich is holding the model at the work, waiting to finish and bringing her in a nightclub or at an escortwork, instead of reliable companies working for money, giving a business education to this beginners in the BIG LIFE how they are at 18 finishing the school, becoming adults. With the models i had long time ago i could simply organise 30 girls+ 100 figurants in case for a "Gladiator" , 15-20 actors every month for a Woodman movie somewhere in the tropics, today i cannot assume my responsability, and organise more than 5 models for the same level movie, even if i have triple more models for casting....This is why Woodman, and others wich were big doesn't want to work anymore, not only cuz of the financial degree....
About working in U.S., yes it is a good opportunity for models like Angelina Crow, or other reliable pro workers, but i'm not sure can be a promise, cuz of the 2257, and i feel it will be an enormous imigration of east european models wich will make a big problem for everybody again. I'm affraid the imigration officers will wait at the airport border the models with pornmagazines in theyre hands, and hopefully this will not risque the "no more visa for U.S." situation for others waiting to go there as turists. Like this will be verry big problems in our country....

Ricardo, many thanks for these detailed insights of the job of an agent today. I've always thouht this must be a dream job, but it seems the really good times are over. Did I understand you right that one of the biggest problem are the models themselves these days? Their lack of professionalism?

Sometimes I wish back the good old days 5 or 10 years ago. Porn was much better at that times, productions had higher bugets (especially the Private movies). Today it's really difficult to find good European porn. Too many average directors, cheap locations, cheap budgest. I know why more and more producers go to Russia, to save money. All in all a sad situation. Any chance that something will improve soon? It seems directors like Christoph Clark will go a new way to have contract stars like in the US. Is this the future? Did agents like you earn something, when the girls have a contract?

[alexxx]

Very interesting debate. I can only say that I consider Angelina a big actress (with many talents ) and Ricardo a big agent (with different talents ). Sometimes big clash but everybody has its own fair reasons.