Obama speaks about Israel

[Xenomorgue]

Here is the text of Barack Obama's speech on Israel and the Middle East:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/1416529/remarks_by_sen_obama_at_aipac_meeting/

It is the usual pro-Israel crap talk that we have come to expect from an American politician. No "change" here.

[sbando]

The presidential elections are yet to begin and you expected the democratic candidate (who's also black and very young) to take a different position about Israel and the Palestinians, especially now that the latter are represented by terrorists?

Of course, I PRAY for change and I'm happy that the bitch is out of the picture (for the moment), since she was the number 1 supporter of the invasion.

But what if the old geezer wins? He's said that he has appreciated Bush's results in foreign politics. Is that a new beginning?

[Camarillobrillo]

Sbando's right what were you expetting at the start of the presidential run ??

And by the way you can clearly read a lot of hints to a
more moderated and high level diplomacy oriented turn in Obama's
vision of next USA foreign politics taking a strong distance from the
errors of Bush's administration.

Let's hope that Obama is goin' to win or you'll have to read
the speeches of general McCain...
And that's sure you are not goin to like it...at all !!!

[sbando]

John McCain is a decent man (as opposed to the all Neo-Con yuppies that ended up in countless scandals).

During the Viet-Nam war he definitely didn't hide himself in the National Guard, as the Water Boy did. Actually, few Americans (and Westerners) have lived what he has lived.

He's nice and charming, a frequent Letterman guest.

He's also distanced himself from his Party, from time to time.

BUT, as Brillo says, just read where the man's at, ideologically and politically.

We seem to accept him only because he's not associated with the neo-con scum, with all their lies (about 9/11 and Iraq), their scandals, tortures, deportations, shady undergoings, their total lack of qualities and skills (does anyone remember the fucking Governor of Bagdad, or the FEMA guy?).

John McCain's use of the phrase ["Mission Accomplished"]

“NEIL CAVUTO: ... Senator -- after a conflict means after the conflict, and many argue the conflict isn't over.

JOHN MCCAIN: Well, then why was there a banner that said 'mission accomplished' on the aircraft carrier? ... the conflict -- the major conflict is over, the regime change has been accomplished...”

-June 11, 2003, on Fox News's Your Words With Neil Cavuto.[3]




“ This is a mission accomplished. ”

-December 14, on ABC's This Week, referring to the capture of Saddam Hussein. [4]




“ I don't know if you could ever say, quote 'mission accomplished,' as much as you could say 'Americans are out of harm's way.' And that's the key to America's concern — casualties. ”

-May 1, 2008, at a town hall meeting in Des Moines, Iowa. [5]

[Xenomorgue]

In my opinion both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were fine candidates for the Democratic party. I had only a slight preference for Obama. Well, congratulations to him for winning the nomination! Of course I hope he will be elected an not the old war-monger John McCain.

I just think it is SAD that the public opinion in the USA on Israel and the Middle East is so skewed, that every politician feels pressured into stating his/her support for Israel while denouncing its enemies as terrorists.

Obama is very talented speaker, as he has demonstrated on the difficult topic of race and racism in the USA. But even Obama can only repeat the standard stuff in order to show "support for Israel". I am sure he could have chosen a different angle. Why not point to the ongoing suffering of the Palestinian people?

[Nihilist]

I personally don't think the US should have any involvement whatsoever in Israel and Palestine, nor for that matter should the UK interfere any longer.

If you look at the following map showing the history of Israel/Palestine in the past 70 years you will understand the view of the Palestinian people.



The war in Israel/Palestine has been going on for centuries, not just in the last few decades. From the crusades until modern times has the land of Israel/Palestine been a hot spot for fighting.

The problem arises because Jerusalem has two of the most religious places of interest in the world. One being Jewish and the other being Islamic. There is nothing at all that the US or any other country can do unless they can work out how to move a sacred shrine to the other side of the world.

The only part that I find highly ironic and totally unacceptable is the way the Jewish people treat the Palestinians. With the Jews understanding fully the nature and horror of being targetted and forced to live in poverty and ghettos, I would have expected better!! For this very reason I do not recognise Israel and will only see their side (if there is one) when they start treating their neighbours with some respect.

It is almost a guaranteed certainty that the next world war will arise due to the issues in Israel. When a rogue Arab state finally does manage to create a nuclear missile, its very obvious where it will be sent. That in turn will trigger a response from Israel (who are not part of the Nuclear Prolifieration Pact and have not said what arsenal they have).

If this has not occurred in the next century I will be very shocked.

[hardware]

Let's hope that Obama is goin' to win or you'll have to read the speeches of general McCain...

McCain's a navy man; so Admiral McCain, if you please.

As I've said over on ADT, I don't particularly care for McCain. I'll give him his due, though - I think McCain is better than BushCo, in the sense that he isn't ideologically driven. Furthermore, he isn't pals with two of the worst men ever to enter politics in the USA - Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Against that, he obviously doesn't have control of himself - singing 'Bomb, bomb Iran' into an open mike is about as dumb a move for a self-professed foreign-policy expert to make as is possible - and he can't think on is feet.

[Xenomorgue]

The Bush era (2000-20008) was a disaster for the whole world.

Defence spending went further up. Rudeness and tough talk became normal in world politics. Diplomacy was superceded by warfare. Human rights standards were lowered. Prisoner abuse has become acceptable. Torture has been re-introduced. Security became the overriding argument to infringe on people's privacy. In the name of freedom countless civilians were slaughtered by uniformed killers who enjoy legal immunity.

Meanwhile the real issues remained unresolved. Global warming, CO2 emissions, energy shortages, food and fresh water problems are key issues in which progress was effectively blocked by the Bush government. We lost 8 years in which these issues could have been tackled.

The world needs change.